The_Raven on 25/7/2008 at 21:23
So, some hot Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn action in Batman's End?
icemann on 26/7/2008 at 06:39
Poison Ivy was in the 5th batman movie IIRC. Uma Thurman played her.
The_Raven on 26/7/2008 at 15:02
I know that.
EDIT: I just picked up on that reintroducing the Joker part. Unless they are going to recast the Joker, I think Harley Quinn might be the only way to do it. Plus, Harley and Poison Ivy are friends.
EDIT2: Actually, Two-Face was already used in Batman Forever. That most certainly didn't stop them from doing the character again in The Dark Knight.
SubJeff on 27/7/2008 at 18:32
Saw it last night. Thank God for this reboot.
Ledger's Joker may not be "definitive" but hot damn it was far, far superior to Jack's version. This was one scary guy and it worked very well.
One thing about this round of Batman's is how real they feel. None of the other spate of comic book hero films has felt so grounded in reality, and that sense of reality has made it easier to actually care about events and people in the films.
BEAR on 27/7/2008 at 21:34
Quote Posted by nicked
oh yeah, I only meant that the film Catwoman was shite; nothing wrong with Halle Berry - just watch something like Monster's Ball to see she's a great actress.
I just had a horrible, horrible, horrible thought. And it involved
Robin and
Shia LeBoeuf. :eww:
Hahaha. I don't think they could do anything worse to destroy the franchise.
jay pettitt on 27/7/2008 at 23:57
So someone came round and said - We must go, it got a good review in a certain newspaper - and I was like, hang on the Guardian said the last one was good and it was one of the worst films I've ever had the displeasure of seeing and I never could believe I was a such a sap to sit through the whole thing waiting for a good bit to happen - but apparently this one isn't disappointing the Guardian said...
Yes it is.
Batman is still going around trying to scare bad guys with his growliest voice. There's still the charade where batman is supposed to be 'dark' but you can tell he's good because he doesn't use bad guns. Characters are 2 dimensional and impossible to bond or otherwise get attached to, which makes killing most of them pointless, the plot is contrived - ooh I must confront my inner demons ooh ooh ooh, come on - the acting generally poor, script hardly worth the .doc file it was written on, it's juvenile, it's; well it is shallow tat. A step up from your average Steven Segal film maybe, but so was Wall-e.
Ok, I was on the edge of my seat briefly - there is a scene where mutilation is threatened and you kind of really don't want to see it and one is hoping they don't actually show that because one has just had my tea, but then I remembered that it was a 12 certificate film and I stopped worrying.
And yes, Heath does a fair turn as a villian which is all the more notable for the material he had to work with.
On the plus side the projector agreed with me and set itself on fire 25 minutes from the end, so we all got let out early and presented with two free tickets to see a film of our choice. A small consolation.
4/10
Tocky on 28/7/2008 at 04:38
I can't believe nobody has mentioned the obvious allegory to these times which try mens souls and test the moral fiber of our western Gothams. The behea... I mean filmed killing of fake Batman. The resorting of good people to less than ethical means of interrogation. The phone eavesdropping ethical delima. The boatloads of people who could blow each other up with the push of a button. The Joker being the big T who makes you choose between survival of society and what you love. The hospital falling. Anyone?
Maybe it's so obvious it didn't bear mention and I'm dufusing up the thread. It's just that who representing who and what is what gave it the disturbing factor to me. The cover up of Dents vengence for the sake of mythos and the assuming of guilt by Batman and what Batman may represent particularly. It seems the duality of man and the parts the pieces play worldstage wise. Am I talking out my ass here?
Scots Taffer on 28/7/2008 at 05:50
Nah, I felt the subtext was fairly transparent throughout Tocky, but I can't quite understand this part - The cover up of Dents vengence for the sake of mythos and the assuming of guilt by Batman and what Batman may represent particularly. - can you explain?
It's probably just me being me and not understanding you again, so I apologise in advance.
also, jay: how does it feel to fail at life?
Chimpy Chompy on 28/7/2008 at 06:15
jay you're a miserable, miserable creature
lunatic96 on 28/7/2008 at 06:56
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
Nah, I felt the subtext was fairly transparent throughout Tocky, but I can't quite understand this part -
The cover up of Dents vengence for the sake of mythos and the assuming of guilt by Batman and what Batman may represent particularly. - can you explain?
It's probably just me being me and not understanding you again, so I apologise in advance.
also, jay: how does it feel to fail at life?
It kind of relates to the concept of the Noble Lie, where you obscure the truth for the betterment of society.
