lunatic96 on 23/7/2008 at 07:53
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Why? The Killing Joke is easily one of the finest Batman comics ever made. The joker's potential origin, mixed with a psychological battle with Batman, and the impact it had on the universe, with the paralysis of Barbara? Everything about it was fantastic.
The Killing Joke is a bad comic book. The two female characters exist solely to motivate the "important" male characters. It's really lazy writing and the worst part about comic books.
The only reason it's so popular is because Alan Moore wrote it.
Matthew on 23/7/2008 at 09:07
I was under the impression that he hadn't meant it to become part of the main continuity either. Oh well, at least we got Oracle out of it.
van HellSing on 23/7/2008 at 13:06
I'm not sure I should see it. I mean, I got a bad feeling about Begins once I started to read some articles/watch previews, so I skipped it when it was in theatres.
But since I am a a moderate Batman fan, once in a while someone would try and hype me up for it, or I would stumble upon a bunch of stellar reviews, so I finally gave in and bought the DVD when it got to the bargain bin.
Alas, when I finally saw it, I was, like, "what the fuck was everyone so excited about? It's almost as bad as the Schumacher movies, just in a different way." I'd give my reasons, but I think I already did that in another thread, and I don't feel like typing that all over.
Hmm, I see Stitch kinda liked it, and he had roughly the same view of Begins as I. So maybe I'll see it.
Stitch on 23/7/2008 at 15:03
Quote Posted by van HellSing
Hmm, I see Stitch kinda liked it, and he had roughly the same view of Begins as I. So maybe I'll see it.
Well,
The Dark Knight is pretty flawed as a movie, and not particularly true to the source material. Joker, as a character, is basically disposed of entirely and replaced by an insane soggy mime that just wants to fuck shit up. Having said that, this insane soggy mime is one hell of a compelling character that provides an electric spark otherwise utterly missing from the rebooted franchise. Unlike
Batman Begins,
The Dark Knight actually has scenes memorable enough to enter the pop culture lexicon ("how about a magic trick?")
I actually wrote up (
http://squappity.blogspot.com/2008/07/review-dark-knight.html) a more in-depth review for my blog, for anyone who gives a shit.
The_Raven on 23/7/2008 at 15:35
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The actor Christian Bale, 34, has been arrested on suspicion of assaulting his mother.
Man, can Christian Bale get any cooler? :devil:
Neb on 23/7/2008 at 18:24
I've literally just seen The Dark Knight and I agree with quite a bit of what Stitch has said about it.
There's one thing which I need clearing up though because it kind of wrecked the whole thing for me, and either the plot is flawed or I've missed something (or perhaps a little of both). Gordon and Batman decide that a lie to preserve the honour of Dent's actions is necessary because then the people will be inspired to stand up to the rampant corruption of Gotham City. As was made clear, the one thing which actually posed a challenge to purging it was The Joker. If The Joker was defeated, then why create the façade of continued danger? When the people begged for security, leadership was manufactured for them to aspire to and rise up. When they finally do rise up and show courage, they're portrayed as a two-dimensional robotic mass who'll easily succumb to propaganda and whose decisions are nothing more than a means to an end. I honestly don't know much about the roots of Batman besides any of Burton and Nolans films, so maybe I am just reading intentional subtext, but then again I have been awake for over 24 hours now. :weird:
It just seems to me that it would realistically all end in tears without any more villains.
Unfortunately I'll have to read any replies to this on Monday because tomorrow I'm off to a festival and right now I need sleep. :thumb:
Sypha Nadon on 23/7/2008 at 19:03
One thing about the movie that really surprised me: there's a scene where someone dies after drinking something that was poisoned by the Joker. I thought the scene would end with the dead guy having a huge grin on his face (after all, in the very first Joker issue, all of the Joker's dead victims ended up with bizarre grins frozen on their face), but that didn't happen, the guy just died. Seemed like kind of a wasted opportunity if you ask me. Maybe they thought it would scare the kids!
june gloom on 23/7/2008 at 20:05
Actually, it seems to me that this particular iteration of Batman purpousely does away with comic book stuff like that, as I've mentioned before. And that may be its strength- what works in the comics doesn't always work on the big screen. Since Batman has no superpowers but is just a man, they can get away with creating a more realistic film.
