Thirith on 2/8/2006 at 10:44
I loved Batman Returns for its darkly romantic feel - and it's the film for which I'd forgive Michelle Pfeiffer for almost any crap she's done since. Max Schreck is fun, and I even liked De Vito's Penguin and his grotesque, Richard III on meth pathos.
The thing about the Joker: The guy is not funny, so getting a comedian sort of misses the point. He's the sort of guy who *thinks* he's funny (okay, that fits many comedians...), but he ain't. He has the potential of being really scary; while I enjoyed the hell out of Batman Begins, none of the villains left that much of an impression on me beyond single scenes, perhaps.
Stitch on 2/8/2006 at 15:04
Quote Posted by Scots_Taffer
In the few films I've seen him in (A Knight's Tale and Brokeback Mountain, he's always played second fiddle to much stronger leads) he's never really left a lasting impression.
Nigga please. Heath carried Brokeback and everybody in the world but you knows this. This is beyond opinion.
Also: after the joyless, artless "Batman Begins," perhaps I should just be thankful that this horrible exercise in "how to miscast an icornic character" gives me no reason to care about the sequel at all.
Aerothorn on 2/8/2006 at 15:58
Eh. After the dissapointment that was Batman Begins, I'm not holding out hopes for this one.
That said, if they kill off his girlfriend in the first five minutes I'll give it a chance :)
Morte on 2/8/2006 at 16:09
I think Katie Holmes won't be appearing at all in the sequel, thankfully.
Scots Taffer on 2/8/2006 at 23:08
Quote Posted by Stitch
Nigga please. Heath carried Brokeback and everybody in the world but you knows this. This is beyond opinion.
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demagogue on 3/8/2006 at 21:18
Obviously I haven't seen Batman Begins, so thanks for answering my question.
It said somewhere on IMDB something like "also known as Batman 5" and I made an ass out of you and me thinking that, as a prequel, Batman Begins wouldn't even have the opportunity to change the universe of the previous movies anyway, whereas Dark Knight seems a lot more in the territory of an outright remake of Batman 1. (also the first four movies themselves were quite different in style, and when you get a series going 4+ movies, like Rocky and James Bond, it's not intuitive that a fifth movie would really try to "start over" ... although I guess this is the next big thing, with Batman and now Superman.)
I mean, is it just me, or is Hollywood's fear of new ideas so entrenched that the difference between a sequel and a remake is starting to lose its meaning? Or maybe the right way to word it is: it's ok now to make a remake not just of one movie, but of an entire 5 movie series (and just how many times can we do it?). It's like they exhausted the run of the first four movies, so they just start over and do it again, same four villains with a different (admittedly better looking) aesthetic.
But anyway, I'll withhold any real opinion until I've seen Batman Begins. That's just my knee-jerk impression, not having seen it yet.
SD on 3/8/2006 at 21:42
Quote Posted by demagogue
I mean, is it just me, or is Hollywood's fear of new ideas so entrenched that the difference between a sequel and a remake is starting to lose its meaning? Or maybe the right way to word it is: it's ok now to make a remake not just of one movie, but of an entire 5 movie series (and just how many times can we do it?). It's like they exhausted the run of the first four movies, so they just start over and do it again, same four villains with a different (admittedly better looking) aesthetic.
Rather than tiredly pointing the finger at Hollywood's Lack Of Ideas™, you might want to aim your fire at comic book creators instead. They're the ones who really popularised the parallel universe concept in the first place, mainly so they could reuse popular characters who had passed their sell-by date. Hollywood is just treading a well-worn path.
thefonz on 3/8/2006 at 22:01
Yet at the end of it all, i'm quite happy to goto the cinema and enjoy different directors takes on well-known characters. Especially since the comic book world is so rich with conflicting storylines and their writers are always coming up with new slants on their heros (eg: superman as a communist, spiderman as venom etc).
However on the flip side, I do agree that there is a sore lack of new superheros these days...
Incidentally, Batman is a far cooler superhero than Superman.
RyushiBlade on 3/8/2006 at 22:31
I've seen only three of the Batman movies and I hated every one of them. But Batman Begins turned out wonderful. I think it may be that Batman Begins was far darker than its predecessors, something which Batman was originally intended to be. I'm hoping for more violence and whatnot in The Dark Knight. Also, I'm glad to see they're breaking the mold of Batman titles by not including the name 'Batman' in them.
Scots Taffer on 3/8/2006 at 23:36
It's worrying though when Hollywood makes big budget sequels to big budget flops... (
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486576/) as if the first movie didn't bomb hard enough, they're going to trash two comic books at once this time. I mean, I could care less because I don't read comics yet at the same time this irks me. What the shit? If the premise bombs, try something new or different PLEASE.
Oh and (
http://www.firstshowing.net/2006/08/02/why-2007-will-be-a-great-year-for-movies) here's a list of reasons why 2007 will be a year that sucks ass for movies - highlights? Evan Almighty. Shrek 3. Live Free or Die Hard. Oceans 13.
The only redeeming sequels are Sin City 2, Spiderman 3, Pirates 3 (potentially, I haven't seen 2 yet), and Rush Hour 3.
Yep, Rush Hour 3.
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