Aja on 22/5/2006 at 01:24
I'm not getting into this historical debate (couldn't if I wanted to), and I haven't seen the movie, but I've read the book, and I think that (
http://www.filmfocus.co.uk/review.asp?ReviewID=20669) this guy nails it:
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The ideas themselves are beyond the book, though by turning such fascinating, but ultimately impenetrable legends into the sort of page-turning mystery audiences love to lap up, Brown creates the illusion of intelligence. As you flick the pages, lapping up factoid after factoid, tired cliché takes a back seat to pure fascination. Brown lets his research do the work; his lacklustre talent as a writer covered up by the transference of such intriguing theories to a general audience who were just waiting for a Dan Brown to come along.
If the movie is as accurate an adaptation as reviews seem to suggest, I'll save myself the price of admission.
tungsten on 22/5/2006 at 01:25
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
Apart from the fact that not all Essenes were celibate, Jesus blatantly wasn't an Essene. He wasn't teetotal, a pacifist or a vegetarian.
And next you'll be claiming he never said "God bless America" either? :mad:
demagogue on 22/5/2006 at 02:08
Quote Posted by Gingerbread Man
thats because everyone else had two eyes try to pay attention :mad:
Hours since you posted this, but just suddenly an image came into my head of a three-eyed Jesus in all earnestness telling a skeptical crowd (a la Life of Brian) to sacrifice one eye if they had to and bear with just one left ... and one guy in the back piping up: "Yeah, easy for you to say, Jesus."
Re: the book et al, I think it can be healthy to play with the space of symbols and rethink new meanings to old narratives, and it's been done as long as these sorts of narratives (I don't want to differentiate "myth" from "religion" here; since one can always be seen as the other by the other) have been told and people have found them meaningful. But you can't say this is a really serious or responsible attempt at that, neither in the healthy playful sense nor the serious rethinking sense. About the best I'll grant it is that it's gotten people just to reread the passages that they found meaningful, think about the history of their interpretation, and think in terms of symbols and meaning. But even then I don't think it will spark too many people in really digging into these issues any deeper than the book does. But maybe a few will. It's not like Last Temptation of Christ which was a much more sophisticated stab at this kind of rereading of old meanings, though (so the critics say).
Edit: By the way, where's Black Ertai when we need an independent religious studies guy (as in secular (?) but knows his stuff) to give his two cents (not to denigrate fett's and Stront's takes, whose observations are of course very relevant, too, just another perspective would be good to add to the mix). I've watched all these anti-De Vinci Code shows, but all of them coming from way different perspectives, and still am a little uncertain how to weigh them against one another for, e.g., the historical word on the subject, or how someone studying this from a secular, historical, or scientific approach would try to organize it all.
Spiders on 22/5/2006 at 02:24
Allow me to be the first person here to say I've actually seen the movie.
Also allow me to be the first to say that Tom Hanks' acting was abysmal, and that the dialogue did, in a few spots, draw precariously close to the infamous cringe-threshold formerly established by the Star Wars movies. I didn't think it was totally wretched, but I was very unimpressed by [much of] the acting, the dialogue, the whole medieval "cutscene" absurdity, and the weird "all-these-flashing-whirling-special-effects-imply-that-I'm-a-brilliant-symbol-interpreter-doing-important-stuff" CG thing.
Actually, I'm not sure what was keeping it from being totally wretched. I think it might have been Ian McKellen. Or maybe it was Paul Bettany limping around because he actually paid attention to the details of his character and recognized that a mass of barbed wire wrapped around his thigh would mess up his gait.
Scots Taffer on 22/5/2006 at 03:00
I NEED TO GET TO A LIBRARY!
Strangeblue on 22/5/2006 at 03:13
Why? surely not to subject yourself to Dan Brown.
Scots Taffer on 22/5/2006 at 03:22
It's the climatic, pompously-intoned line that has apparently prompted derisive laughter from nearly every audience who've sat through the movie so far.
For the record, I've read both Angels and Demons and The Da Vinci Code (in that order) and found the former to be an enjoyable enough page-turner that devolved into complete retardation in the third act, and found the latter to be a carbon copy of the other except vatican-illuminati plot was replaced by jesus-prioryofzion. The plot devices are indentical, even down to the nature of the murder that involves Dr <strike>Jones</strike> Langdon meeting the close relative of the victim, who in both cases is a female expert in the field relevant to the plot of the book, similarly with the creepy murderer going about who is in turn manipulated by a third party, etc etc. I actually found The Da Vinci Code to fail on even the basic mindless reading criteria since I felt like I'd already read the book since the format was identical to A&D, and to make matters worse the theories presented in TDVC are hardly fresh.
Shug on 22/5/2006 at 05:02
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
Mrs. Taffer said you ain't that big.
Why do you think she agreed to move to Australia :cool:
Ko0K on 22/5/2006 at 05:16
I went to the theater to see it today, but due to a technical error the movie wasn't ready, and the audience got a refund and a free ticket. All I can say is that some people didn't take the situation too well, and I think I'll wait for the DVD. I don't think I can sit through 2.5 hours being surrounded by people who already read the book before they came to the theater.
D'Juhn Keep on 22/5/2006 at 11:40
Quote Posted by Tonamel
As of right now, it has a 21% at Rotten Tomatoes, so... it's worse than Silent Hill.
Jesus, this is hard to believe. The cast of Da Vinci Code alone should make it better than Silent Hill. Right? :erm: