OnionBob on 5/5/2006 at 13:14
I'm thinking to myself...
"What are you expecting, Ben? Do you expect these dudes to suddenly be all like 'okay, sorry about the insults, can you explain where you're coming from as it relates to this and this and such and such'? Do you then hope to calmly explain more and have them respond with respectful intelligent questions and comments like some panel of reclining cigar smoking intellectuals? Do you finally hope for everyone to gather round in some internet hand holding circle and be like 'we now understand you more, Komag, and although we think you're mistaken and should have more heart for aids victims, we still see how your other thoughts might lead you to have the views you do, so take care and god bless...'. C'mon Ben, stop kidding yourself, these are INTERNET FORUMS, and these particular forums are full of GAME PLAYERS. Get real man, stop posting stuff like this, you only bring it on yourself. It's like you got some sort of chat-room-death-wish or something. When you see a thread about some news, just pipe in and say "wow, that's great, good job" and you'll be much better off"
Yeah, thinking stuff like that...
Para?noid on 5/5/2006 at 13:34
Quote Posted by BR796164
I didn't know you believe in divine power, noid?
I don't exist in a fucking world where there are things that I know for certain. Just educated guesses. This is not the 16th fucking century. People my age aren't that stupid.
Rogue Keeper on 5/5/2006 at 13:39
Argh, but I don't think there is anything stupid with having educated guesses about divine powers in 21st fucking century! I was just fucking curious. :cheeky:
(I can't believe it, I managed to use that word twice in one post!)
fett on 5/5/2006 at 13:44
Thread over. :thumb:
Convict on 5/5/2006 at 15:16
Quote Posted by BR796164
Development of most forms of cancer is primarily a consequence of continuous intoxication of organism and alterations of genotype, which is in turn a consequence of living in an industrial society.
What really? Although I don't claim to know that much about cancer I do question the idea that most cancers are due to industrial living (rather than living longer or viral infections). What is your source for this?
Rogue Keeper on 5/5/2006 at 15:38
Look up "carcinogen."
Convict on 5/5/2006 at 15:57
Are you saying that cigarette carcinogens, HHV-8, HPV, burnt sausages etc are industrial society? When you said industrial society I assumed you meant pollution.
(If pollution is what you mean): While not denying pollution may cause cancer, I suspect the incidence is so small compared to all other causes of cancer to be negligible.
Merely being (what appears to be) condescending and saying "look up carcinogen" is fairly poor form IMO. e.g. I already mentioned virii as being a cause of cancer.
Rogue Keeper on 5/5/2006 at 16:16
Living in industrial areas (that includes cities) means absorption of toxic industrial byproducts. They are everywhere, whether you like it or not. You can absorb carcinogens through your skin merely by manipulating plastics containing carcinogens. Your organism is able to deal with absorbed toxic substances to some level, but not forever. And every organism has diferent level of immunity. There is a point when your cells are no longer able to resist toxins and the cancer starts growing.
Cigarettes today are more dangerous, because they are not just tobacco, cigarette smoke contains various chemicals such as benzene or formaldehyde. They are adding them to enhance the taste or whatever.
Virii causing cancer are also cathegorized as carcinogens.
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http://www.medicinenet.com/cancer_causes/article.htm)
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Carcinogen, any chemical, biological, or physical agent that can potentially be a cause of cancer. The term is most commonly applied to chemicals introduced into the environment by human activity. Researchers label a substance a carcinogen if it causes a statistically significant increase in some form of neoplasm, or anomalous cell growth, when applied to a population of previously unexposed organisms. The modes of cancer initiation are still little understood, however, and efforts to establish the carcinogenic hazards of substances have aroused great controversy. The question of the usefulness of laboratory tests on animals in assessing human risks is particularly complex. The more recent development of short-term tests using cell cultures of micro-organisms, however, is considered a major advance in carcinogen research.
Substances indicted as carcinogenic over the past few decades include: the pesticides DDT, Kepone, and EDB; the synthetic hormone DES; the artificial sweetener cyclamate; asbestos; and a wide range of other industrial and environmental substances. Carcinogens in tobacco are still the single most important cause of cancer. The carcinogenic effects of various foods are still under study.
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By the way, beware of potato chips and grilled stuff. Acrylamide is potential carcinogen.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinogen)
Recent reports have implicated acrylamide in fried or overheated carbohydrate foods (such as french fries and potato chips) as a possible carcinogen. Studies are underway at the FDA and European regulatory agencies to assess its potential risk. The charred residue on barbecued meats has been identified as a carcinogen, along with many other tars.
Mortal Monkey on 5/5/2006 at 16:24
The Earth's population is roughly 6.6 billion. Even if a large meteor didn't hit the Earth killing everybody right this instant, more than 6.6 billion people are going to die within the next 100 years.
In the mean time, around 0 people will lose their lives on Mars.
Convict on 5/5/2006 at 16:26
I think you misunderstand me here BR, I meant that I realised that virii can be carcinogens but I thought you were referring to pollution/plastics - heck in my viva voce before I graduated I got asked what caused Kaposi's sarcoma - they were trying to trick me into saying HIV but I knew it was actually HHV-8. :cool:
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Living in industrial areas (that includes cities) means absorption of toxic industrial byproducts. They are everywhere, whether you like it or not. You can absorb carcinogens through your skin merely by manipulating plastics containing carcinogens. Your organism is able to deal with absorbed toxic substances to some level, but not forever. And every organism has diferent level of immunity. There is a point when your cells are no longer able to resist toxins and the cancer starts growing.
But what evidence is there that this (e.g. pollution) causes anything more than a neglible amount of cancers?
