Tony on 10/5/2006 at 13:36
Okay, what you people aren't getting when he says "industrial society" is just what goes on in factories. I worked in a cabinet factory. I left not only with permanently crippled hands but an eternal hatred for foul chemicals. Your cabinets, and all dark colored wood products in your home (barring naturally dark woods like walnut which have not been treated, like my sword grip) are likely imbued with substances every bit as offensive as manure. I haven't researched it, but I'll eat my hat if those chemicals aren't a wonderful cause of cancer. Think of that next time you open your cabinet.
Oh, and I'm probably going to get lung cancer because of all of the wood dust I inhaled. You have no idea what I'm talking about, and can't. My snot was dark brown for weeks after I quit the job. There's no doubt in my mind that an industrial society will have greatly increased cancer rates, and it's not because of the pollution. They can move the smoking zones outside until the moon turns red and it's not going to help when there are vile substances being used in all of our food and goods.
Convict on 10/5/2006 at 13:42
Tony what happened to you sucks, it really does. There is an increased risk of nose cancer from your job I think. Did you get a doctor to document this and work to document this?
Tony on 10/5/2006 at 13:56
Short story is, the goverment doctor which the Bureau of Workers Compensation sent me to says I have "naturally loose joints." I was a fool and didn't know I was supposed to bring X-rays to that quack. Said quack told me, word for word, "No, you had your chance," when I asked if I could send them in. My doctors both say I have bilateral chronic something or other which means badly stretched ligaments. They're never going to be the same, I can't even open a soda bottle, and I need surgury which costs thousands of dollars.
But I'm not getting a penny because the goverment has the final word. A big corporation and the corrupt goverment conspired together to screw over the little guy. It's like the plot of a Hollywood movie, only without the stuff that makes people watch it. It's the law of nature, and I'm only special to me.
But my point was not so much meant to be that factories are horrible to their workers, although they are. You could say that I'm kind of bitter about it, which is why I always end up bringing it up. My point, however, was supposed to be that factories greatly increase our cancer count through their products which they sell to the consumers. But thank you for your concern, it really does make my day better.
Convict on 10/5/2006 at 13:58
I don't suppose that you documented any of the symptoms such as the snot thing etc did you? It might be useful later in life.
Tony on 10/5/2006 at 14:09
I left a paperwork trail across four or five cities about my hands, but I never tried to report the sawdust after my experience with the hands. I'm really no good at this legal junk. Maybe I should have asked Rug Burn Junky to eat Krapmaid.
Rogue Keeper on 10/5/2006 at 14:10
Yes, and people like to eat fried and roasted meat and potatoes so much, without compensating it with enough food rich on fibre to clean their bowels from tar, which creates on the surface of meat and vegetables during these high-temperature food preparation procedures.
However, colon bowel cancer doesn't present all cancers caused by our diet.
We have stomach cancer, liver cancer, spleen cancer, gall blader cancer, name it...
The pesticides and insecticides we are using in agriculture can circulate in the food chain pretty long. For example good old DDT. It has been happily used world wide like some miracle potion until they realized it's concentration in higher animals and causes reproductive dysfunctions. It has been also marked as a carcinogen. Worse thing is that it can reside in soil for decades, and because it has been used so widely, in some areas (my guess - many areas) it circulates in the food chain to these days. ( (
http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/policy/news/index.cfm?uNewsID=1833) )
Many food additives, commonly known as "E-numbers", aren't safe either.
(
http://curezone.com/foods/enumbers.asp)
Some cause allergic reactions, some dysfunctions, some cause cancer. They are monitored and banned (depends on hygienic laws in particular countries), however, as newer and newer additions are being invented, the list of potentially dangerous Es also grows. But it's difficult to monitor every food manufacturer, what additives he uses, so it's up to final consumer to watch out for dangeous additives - under condition the manufacturer had guts to state what exactly his food product is composed from, on the package.
EDIT: Tony, sorry to hear that. :(
Actually... young medics are also at increased risk of cancer because they have to inhale formaldehyde during many hours of anatomic dissection trainings (a friend of mine has stories...). Damn... I'm becoming overly morbid I guess.
Tony on 10/5/2006 at 14:51
Formaldehyde is one of the lovely chemicals which go into wood stain. Hooray! My theory about wood stain being carcinogenic is confirmed. I, and the other workers, had that stuff on my hands and arms every day for years.
We forgot monosodium glutamate. That nasty stuff gives me the mad craps every time I eat anything that's got more than a tiny dose in it. But you know what really bums me out? Gasoline. That's supposed to be a bad one, and it's one of my favorite smells in the world.
My family think I'm crazy because I insist on using olive oil for everything. It's because I'm so fed up with chemicals. Sure, I'll eat white bread until I die of colon cancer. But I wish I could stay away from the funny stuff concocted in laboratories.
RarRar on 10/5/2006 at 18:37
I had a job in high school where one of the tasks was to dip some plastic parts into this barrel containing hot gases from some solvent in order to melt the scratches off. We'd put on gloves and be VERY careful not to stick our arms too far in. If you moved too fast you'd stir up the gasses and they'd slop over the edge and you did NOT want to accidently catch a breath of the stuff. It would ruin your day. I still managed to expose my arm to it enough times. It would kind of "flow" into your glove if you stuck it in too far and then it would get all cozy with the skin of your arm for awhile. We'd fight amongst ourselves over who had to do it. It was the barrel of horrors. The name of the chemical is right on the tip of my tongue but I just can't recall it at the moment. It was scary sounding though. I'd like to look it up.
I only worked there about a year. Thankfully I don't have strange growths on my right arm, joint pain or crippling headaches or anything like that.
DC on 10/5/2006 at 20:18
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SD on 10/5/2006 at 22:26
Quote Posted by RarRar
I had a job in high school where one of the tasks was to dip some plastic parts into this barrel containing hot gases from some solvent in order to melt the scratches off. We'd put on gloves and be VERY careful not to stick our arms too far in. If you moved too fast you'd stir up the gasses and they'd slop over the edge and you did NOT want to accidently catch a breath of the stuff. It would ruin your day. I still managed to expose my arm to it enough times. It would kind of "flow" into your glove if you stuck it in too far and then it would get all cozy with the skin of your arm for awhile.
Jesus, how the fuck is such a thing legal? Do you guys not have health and safety legislation over there?
