Vivian on 8/12/2016 at 19:43
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Not the whole story. It's perfectly fine to judge a group by how they treat their crazies....which is in one area I think the right does better than the left. Trump has dis-avowed that neo-nazi guy who gave the presentation with the Hitler salute. The left so far has failed to do the same thing. When was the last time you heard any left wing public figure disavowing the feminist types who argue for anti-male genocide or mass-male sterilization with a transition to a breeding program that resembles the Mechwarrior clans(easily found on any feminist internet forum)? You won't. They largely condone and rationalize for them.
Hang on, those two things aren't really equivalent. I mean one is a thing that happened and one is a thing you're saying exists but not in any specific sense or with any evidence at all for it existing, for one thing. When was the last time you heard a right winger denounce these cyber nazis who bully animals and make them wear hillary wigs on the internet eh? eh? That's right, you won't.
Also: 'feminist types'. Did you just imply that all feminists want to put all men into some sort of weird breeding program? Lets get something fucking straight, 'feminist' is not in any way a similar kind of cohort to 'neo nazi'. That's exactly like calling ISIS 'muslim types'.
Renzatic on 8/12/2016 at 19:48
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That said if you want more fake news, it turns out that the story about "fake news" was fake.
No, fake news is very much a real thing. It's who's doing it and why that's the question.
Though, of course, Zerohedge in itself is a pretty suspect site. I won't say it publishes fake news, since it's more a blog than anything, but it does indulge in quite a few batshit conspiracy theories based off very little evidence.
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The left so far has failed to do the same thing. When was the last time you heard any left wing public figure disavowing the feminist types who argue for anti-male genocide or mass-male sterilization with a transition to a breeding program that resembles the Mechwarrior clans(easily found on any feminist internet forum)? You won't. They largely condone and rationalize for them.
Trump did distance himself from Spencer, this is true. But you can still make the argument that the fear stoked by some of these far-right (or ultra-left depending on what gradient you're using) nationalists did help propel Trump to the White House. He might claim not to like being associated with them, but he wasn't above subtly dogwhistling to them for votes, either.
On the flipside of that, exactly how widespread and influential are ultra feminist types in Hillary Clinton's political spheres? Certainly women's rights played a role in her campaign, but it never once extended to the fringe craziness you mentioned above.
faetal on 8/12/2016 at 22:30
I love how Tony literally can not imagine a world where all political discourse isn't neatly split into right and left.
Renzatic on 8/12/2016 at 23:22
That's hardly a problem exclusive to Tony. Most everyone on the internet, especially those who regularly engage in political discourse, conveniently divide up everyone up tidy little liberal/conservative right/left boxes.
Tony_Tarantula on 9/12/2016 at 06:08
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I love how Tony literally can not imagine a world where all political discourse isn't neatly split into right and left.
It isn't of course, but we live in an era where politics are driven by a very loud, very vocal faction on each side. Thanks to the wonders of social media it also triggers somewhat of a herd effect and people tend to get pulled to one side or the other.
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Trump did distance himself from Spencer, this is true. But you can still make the argument that the fear stoked by some of these far-right (or ultra-left depending on what gradient you're using) nationalists did help propel Trump to the White House. He might claim not to like being associated with them, but he wasn't above subtly dogwhistling to them for votes, either.
And they're idiots for it. Their expectations will last about as long as the idea that Obama was going to give black people free money just for being black (reparations) lasted once he was elected.
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On the flipside of that, exactly how widespread and influential are ultra feminist types in Hillary Clinton's political spheres? Certainly women's rights played a role in her campaign, but it never once extended to the fringe craziness you mentioned above.
A lot more than you realize, and a lot more than you'd ever admit even if you could be bothered to go looking for evidence that might contradict your tribal loyalties. At the most obvious she(or her campaign rather...she doesn't seem to have done much other than follow the campaign's script) was involved in pandering to those types similar to the way Trump dog-whistled racists. Less obvious is that a lot of the people pushing bat-shit insane feminism acted more or less as surrogates for her campaign, and some of the things that people she's affiliated with have said will shock if you take the time to look it up.
Not that anything else was to be expected. The only interesting selling point she had was "first female president", so the kind of people who feel that (
http://thoughtcatalog.com/jake-fillis/2014/05/23-quotes-from-feminists-that-will-make-you-rethink-feminism/) "Man hating is an honorable andviable political act" will naturally gravitate towards her.
Muzman on 9/12/2016 at 12:02
Tony's a Dan Brown-ish symbolologist. It only takes a smattering of small evidences to reveal a greater and hidden "truth" in the world that the rest of us can't see.
Anyway, serious flashbacks to 2000 in this thread. There's even an ultra terse and somewhat supercilious right winger and republican supporter (who isn't one, of course. They're always detached from the corrupt political process and rationally, neutrally observing but still SUCK IT DOWN PINKO SCUM HAHAHAH CRY SOME MORE) to tell us how great and smart the leader is and how fine everything is going to be if we just get over ourselves and let it.
Starker on 9/12/2016 at 13:03
Do you ever follow up on the sources you quote? A lot of these are from works of fiction or taken out of context or outright fabrications.
hopper on 9/12/2016 at 13:52
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CRY SOME MOREDamn, I need to play some TF2 tonight...
faetal on 9/12/2016 at 22:10
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It isn't of course, but we live in an era where politics are driven by a very loud, very vocal faction on each side. Thanks to the wonders of social media it also triggers somewhat of a herd effect and people tend to get pulled to one side or the other.
But why go down to that level? It's too confrontational. Makes people favour an oppositional approach to most political discussion, when in all honesty, we'd probably all like very similar things barring some cosmetic differences. I'm increasingly of the opinion that the rise of worrying far right and increasingly shrill and intolerant far left is a simple function of polarisation. If we all just talked more without concerning ourselves with which camp people were in, there'd be no Trump, no Brexit, no Marine La Pen etc...
Vae on 22/12/2016 at 03:47
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