klatremus on 20/1/2024 at 16:33

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It's in mission 4 as an optional side quest.

ultravioletu on 20/1/2024 at 20:13

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I am still at the moat, facing the manor at the gates (and dreading what's in there), but I think I have a suspicion. Did you get those supreme-busting coins? (They bust supreme because the nearby sleeper lies majestically higher than them - high enough so that you can't reach the coins from a potential "crate-bridge", but low enough so that it reacts to the player creeping on the floor).

That was the only supreme bust I had to take in this half. I expect that it'll get more difficult to keep it within this mode's constraints. I can handle patrollers, but the sleepers drive me crazy. I just managed to grab a goblet lying close to another one, luckily I could approach it from slightly above it.

ultravioletu on 21/1/2024 at 15:46

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Yes, you were right, ghosting the manor wasn't very difficult. Keeping my pants dry and clean - hmmm, that was a different league. Playing well after midnight did not help, either (had to finish the mission during daylight and with someone around, other than cats :) ...)

After unlocking the box in the music room, and hearing the voice, I reloaded, thinking "I'd better get all loot and portraits before unleashing unknown horror here". Turned out it wouldn't have made much difference. One piece of loot can be after branding only, and collecting all others before the 'bombshell' is still a good idea. That diamond too should be kept for desert...

As for ghosting (possibly spoilers?):

The starting area of the mission was quite difficult for Supreme Ghosting, at least for a blind run. The two archers were very inconvenient, and one must do some trekking in areas susceptible to alerts from them. At least they're on patrol and thus offer openings. I also wasted quite some time to realise that I have no chance for marbleman's purse when approaching from the wrong direction.

I took one definite bust to Supreme (groan from the said sleeping zombie to take the coins). And two questionable situations await their trial in the "Ghost Rules Discussion" courthouse. If they're okay, then I'll keep at least the Perfect Thief.

Also, the lock picked to get into alchemist's place turned out to be unnecessary too, the loot could have been postponed to the very end. The same for Glendower's key: in retrospect: one doesn't really need it (and I could've spared returning it, luckily not very difficult).

Time reported in the endgame stats was 1:50:29 - but that is highly misleading because: after I explore a bigger area, and figure out the 'locally optimized way' to tackle it, I realod from a hard save to do it cleanly, then hard save, then go to 10 for the next area. Those exploration runs, while still ghosted, have occasionally first alerts, therefore, from the perspective of "blind supreming" that I do, they feel a bit like cheating. In any case, they're much longer than the executed moves that end up in the official time. Also: the time wasted looking for loot, and finding none, in rooms/ares that I will therefore skip in the "hard-saved" run doesn't come up in stats. So, to be honest, it would have been well over 10 hours of game-time (spread over four days/two weekends).

All four pickpockets were purses, from the four locks I picked, one can definitely be avoided, one is questionable (may be avoided if there is another way into the manor,) and the last two are chests with loot.

ultravioletu on 22/1/2024 at 08:50

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There are several ways in:

[1] Via western walled-off area, which can be reach in three ways:
a. through locked door in Glendower's kitchen, key is hidden upstairs,
b. by dropping from Glendower NE balcony,
c. by dropping from the battlements with the archer.
Once in it, go to the W end, and you can either rope up and go through an apartment leading you to the W side of the canal area, or you can use the sewers to reach the eastern haunted area (see next)

[2] Via eastern haunted area (south of "industrial tennements"), which can be reached:
a. from the room past the noble sleeping in a garten, look for a switch above the bookshelves
b. through prison then through sewers, past the patrolling crayman, always heading eastwards.
From there, you can either "go around" and use the E end to rope up to a house, through which you end up on the E side of the canal area, OR use immediately after reaching it an underground passage going N, which will lead to the basement of a house on the W side of the canal area, OR drop into the sewers

One additional way OUT is via canal -> underwater passage heading W -> sewers, emerging in the big round hole with sleeping zombies. I could not use this path as way IN, because once cannot ascend from the moat. Unless one already reached this area differently and left a rope arrow that can be reached from water. At any time, the sewers can be used to travel to/fro: the W walled-off area, the E haunted area, and the prison.

dr_zoidberg590 on 22/1/2024 at 21:07

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Thanks both! Useful info