The adventures of the cannibalistic young scamp, Hannibal Lector Esq! - by Scots Taffer
Scots Taffer on 7/8/2006 at 23:18
Sir, you have sullied my thread. :(
Carini on 7/8/2006 at 23:21
Two reasons to see Hannibal:
[SPOILER]The hanging
The dinner party at the end[/SPOILER]
TheGreatGodPan on 8/8/2006 at 17:37
The only movie in the series I've seen all the way through is Manhunter. That was a good movie. I preferred Brian Cox to Anthony Hopkins (at least what I've seen of him when Silence of the Lambs is on tv) and the detective was good too. The killer wasn't all that special, but the ending sequence set to Inna Gadda da Vida with the director's trademark Miami Vice/MTV editing kicked ass. I always wondered when they were going to go over the story of how Hannibal was captured in the first place. It was supposed to seriously affect/injure the cop, and Hannibal is always depicted as being the brightest guy on the block so it would be nice to see how he got outfoxed. I suppose those of you who read the books might already know how it went down and think it would make a crappy story, but if they could remake one of them which was already pretty good, I don't see why they can't punch up or retcon the given story to something better.
Scots Taffer on 8/8/2006 at 23:35
Tom Noonan was fucking chilling in Manhunter. One of the creepiest onscreen murderers ever. He has an unnerving and disturbing presence, purely from the way he holds himself, and he pretty much nailed the character as it was portrayed in the book - sexually repressed and frustrated, impotent to other males except when "the dragon" and plagued by visions of jealousy.
I guess to more or less nail this point down - I'm not a huge fan of Thomas Harris. His writing is quite capable for the genre, but I liked Silence of the Lambs because it was a rejigged and polished version of Red Dragon with a better overall plot. Red Dragon was quite patchy. Hannibal was well written but as I said above, was very pretentious and went a long way to trashing the characters of Hannibal and Starling.
Indeed, if any story remained to be told, it was the one of how FBI agent Will Graham (from Manhunter/Red Dragon) caught Hannibal Lector and his series of murders. The story is sketched out loosely in Red Dragon (and no mention of a living victim is made at that stage, which loses credibility for Hannibal) - that is: basically Lector had murdered one victim by opening his body cavity a la the cop at the end of Silence and had pinned each of his vital organs with various metal implements mimicking some anatomical textbook. While Graham is interviewing Lector (because the dead man was a patient, or something) he notices the book on Lector's shelf, he excuses himself and goes to use a phone, and while he's requesting back-up Lector attacks him. That's where the sketchiness ended.
This origin story is cashing in on a superhero trend and is just doubly preposterous here, also it seems like Revenge flicks are back in and Kill Bill was a success so let's just get Hannibal becoming a samurai and eating the guys who ate his sister. Hilarious.
Sypha Nadon on 9/8/2006 at 15:06
Well, I'm not the biggest Thomas Harris fan myself, despite the fact I've read all of his books (and there aren't many). Oddly enough, I really enjoyed "Hannibal", both the book and the movie. I can't help but wonder if the book was one giant "Fuck You" to all the fans of "Silence of the Lambs".
I never saw the "Red Dragon" remake... is it any good? Frankly, I think "Manhunter" is horribly overrated. It's a good film, but not a classic. Christ's sake, the final fight is orchestrated to that Iron Butterfly song... I always thought the "Silence" film was overrated also. Though I did love Ted Levine as Buffallo Bill.
Scots Taffer on 9/8/2006 at 22:19
Silence isn't overrated, it's just overplayed. It didn't win 5 of the big oscars for no good reason.
Makahlua on 10/8/2006 at 02:19
Quote Posted by Scots_Taffer
Tom Noonan was fucking chilling in Manhunter. One of the creepiest onscreen murderers ever. He has an unnerving and disturbing presence, purely from the way he holds himself, and he pretty much nailed the character as it was portrayed in the book - sexually repressed and frustrated, impotent to other males except when "the dragon" and plagued by visions of jealousy.
I give to you a ditto on this one - still creepy enough that when he showed up on CSI a few seasons back I was telling Grissom & Co. to run, run for your lives!! :eek:
Quote Posted by Scots_Taffer
Indeed, if any story remained to be told, it was the one of how FBI agent Will Graham (from Manhunter/Red Dragon) caught Hannibal Lector and his series of murders.
Yeah, we're
-told- Graham is all t3h smartie for figuring it out, but I'd like to see that whole process (even though of course, we the audience know whodunit).I wouldn't mind to see how he got his pre-Lecter reputation a bit too, you know, why did they have -this- youngun' on the case and all.
Hey, going back to Manhunter, they could have Petersen from CSI return as an older Graham flashing back on it to someone? Or something like that? The character of Graham still has some good story left for certain.
Shadowlord on 10/8/2006 at 04:47
What about that movie of nazi eating ninja?
That comment though(getting off topic) Ninja's don't carry Samurai Swords. Samurai carry Samurai swords, which is actually called a Katana. Ninja carry common tools, but were skilled enough to use them as deadly weapons, mostly seen with Ninja-ken which was a smaller version of the katana which gave them an advantage in battle with the Samurai.
Just thought you guys should know.
Scots Taffer on 10/8/2006 at 04:56
Sorry, Sensei.
I realised this afterwards but I'm not a fan of movie realism! So I think he should be a samurai ninja!
Fafhrd on 10/8/2006 at 05:27
where is Nethawk to espouse on actual Ninja facts when you need him?
