Trappin on 4/10/2007 at 01:09

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The pot vs liquor argument is so worn out and threadbare its really just an autoload response in discussions like this one... same with the bullshit laden Kimberly-Clark hemp / cotton gin conspiracy theories. People talk about this crap and it just gives the anti pot people ammunition to argue with. Legalizing pot won't stop the profiteering.. it'll just shift the cash from small independent/Central American drug cartel growers to multi-national tobacco companies.


Hey ! the good result from legalization would be high quality machine rolled Marlboro Marijuanettes :laff: And in forty years, after we discover how bad pot is for the human body, we can sue these multi-nationals for billions of dollars :ebil:. From the frying pan into the blazing fire:erm:

I know a lot of heavy users -wake and bake types. How many bakers can quit smoking weed for a week or god forbid a month? Not many. Weed is very addictive and just because the addiction is mental rather than physical doesn't mean much... its just not as overt and debilitating as alcohol addiction happens to be. And thats the crux of the real argument - pot is very subtle and seemingly benign... it really is the velvet glove worn over an iron fist. So enjoy it for what it is but don't try to convince non users that its some kind of effin herbal medical miracle or my Chuck Taylor sneakers will wear longer if made from hemp fiber. It ain't and they won't.

I bet a few pot smokers are really pissed off at me by now :p

After saying all of that I still think it should be legalized. I want the corrupting influence of drug money removed from the hands of growers and law enforcement officials. Lots of police are on the take and I want that stopped. I also want to stop *CAMP and other aggressive law enforcement programs. And I want to put an end to the farce known as medical marijuana and the state approved scam shops known as Cannabis Clubs.

PS: I stopped smoking weed in 1989 - never smoke it at all - so I got no dog in this fight :rolleyes:


PSS: Shug: While trekking about California it was mentioned more than once that it's very easy to get a prescription for legal marijuana - is this the case in many states?

Only California.. I think Alaska outlawed it again.

You can get a medical marijuana card from *certain doctors* and buy the weed at medical marijuana "cannabis club" stores... it ain't cheap either. I think it runs $35-60 depending on the grade of pot per 1/4oz. Can also buy Hash and this liquid stuff we used to call Honey Oil .


I live in the green triangle and used to know a few large scale growers. One of the guys had a huge growing operation on a 900+ acre family property on the edge of the Eldorado National Forest in Northern California. The way he got away with it was by planting small clusters of pot along a 6 mile footpath.. it would take him all day and one night (on the trail) and another half day to walk the line tending to his gardens.

Deer are major problem (grazing) so he would enclose these plots in chicken wire.. but that wasn't enough to keep the deer at bay so he employed another way to prevent the deer from eating his plants. He would pee into 5 gallon buckets and then store the pee until it was so rotten the stench would be over powering.. he would then load up 5 gallon hand pump sprayers and spray the rotten urine on the pot plants - the deer are completely repelled by this stench :mad:.

*CAMP law enforcement agents made it hard for growers to transport weed out of the Humboldt mountains so this guy bribed a PG&E helicopter pilot to fly the harvest off of his mountain property to a drop site in the central valley.


*Camp = California Campaign Against Marijuana Planting.

demagogue on 4/10/2007 at 01:37

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I think what Starfall means is that, at the end of Prohibition in 1933, we (Americans) all got so drunk that we forgot the whole 14 year period of Prohibition from 1919-1933.

WAREAGLE on 5/10/2007 at 00:36

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Dont get me wrong, I dont think its a success, or showing anything towards getting better. Its horrible and more than anything, getting worse. I just notice that the government does in fact make alot of arrests for drugs. If you dont believe me, crack open a local area news paper and read about the overcrowding of jails. Most charges are drug related. At least in my area. They aren't succeeding, but they are doing things.

Pyrian on 5/10/2007 at 02:21

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What does "drug related" mean, exactly? I have a strong suspicion that those figures are extremely inflated - i.e., someone robs a bank and is found to have a small amount of (place your favorite illegal substance here) at home when he's arrested, so it's "drug related".

Thief13x on 5/10/2007 at 06:39

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I'm in college numbnut, WHAT DA YA THUNK? And even before college it seemed I was always in the car with somone rolling a joint, and you're right, people actually drive well when they're high, and ya know what? those same guys drove even better when they were drunk, most of them were ultra careful in both situations. Of course, I'm alive to talk about it, I'm sure more than a few people would argue your uneducated point if they were still alive.

So where do we draw the line? the first time I got stoned I couldn't plug in a vcr after only 2 hits, HA HA laugh it up, but it's not very funny at 55mph

Oh okay, where's that 'ignore user' button designed to avoid stupid people?