That new bow... - by Hewer
Balliol on 13/5/2013 at 21:30
And a new album "Thievin' Ain't Easy" by Lil' Garrett hittin' da streets this Fall.
marrow monkey on 16/5/2013 at 10:34
Sorry to say it but I don't like it at all. I've done some archery as a hobby in the past and the NuBow makes no sense, neither from an archery perspective nor an engineering perspective (nor a thief perspective for that matter). Garrett couldn't possibly aim with it when holding it sideways (I assume that is because they don't want the bow to cover the central areas of the screen so I can sort of accept that but I would still have preferred if he held it vertically though).
That said, I don't really care that much about what the bow looks like but it's a bad indication of how the developers have been reasoning about the game. :erg:
thiefessa on 16/5/2013 at 10:43
This is interesting. I start archery lessons next month and I shall talk to the teacher about the design of this bow.
Not that I expect him to say it is a totally practical and realistic bow, but its good to understand the mechanics behind such things.
Vae on 16/5/2013 at 10:46
Quote Posted by marrow monkey
Sorry to say it but I don't like it at all. I've done some archery as a hobby in the past and the NuBow makes no sense, neither from an archery perspective nor an engineering perspective (nor a thief perspective for that matter). Garrett couldn't possibly aim with it when holding it sideways (I assume that is because they don't want the bow to cover the central areas of the screen so I can sort of accept that but I would still have preferred if he held it vertically though).
That said, I don't really care that much about what the bow looks like but it's a bad indication of how the developers have been reasoning about the game. :erg:
I totally agree with what you say MM...and it's funny, because I was just thinking about asking for the title of this thread to be changed to "That NuBow"...:D
Beleg Cúthalion on 16/5/2013 at 11:27
Quote Posted by thiefessa
This is interesting. I start archery lessons next month and I shall talk to the teacher about the design of this bow.
He will probably tell you that it's a bulky but otherwise plain copy of a modern compound bow design. That's BTW what annoys me most about it; not that it's something
new Nu or steampunky, but that it's a direct import from todays's reality. The folding mechanic is as realistic as Van Helsing's steam-powered crossbow from the movie (which would need so much steam energy to reload/draw the crossbow that you would have shot the bolts directly much easier), it has a believable touch to it, but in fact it would not pass a check in reality.
thiefessa on 16/5/2013 at 12:38
Okay, fair enough, I'm sure you're correct.
Hewer on 16/5/2013 at 16:09
Quote Posted by Vae
I was just thinking about asking for the title of this thread to be changed to "That NuBow"...:D
no.
Myth on 17/5/2013 at 14:38
Quote Posted by thiefessa
My bf has booked me on an archery course for beginners this summer. I have no idea whether I'll enjoy it or not, but he's treating me nonetheless.
I could be amazing... or I could suck at it. :laff:
You're a brit, you have to be good at it! Grab your warbow and join your fellow countrymen in ripping the French a new one :thumb:
Quote Posted by Beleg Cúthalion
From my opinion diligent training almost always matters more than "talent" in the broadest sense. We have a guy in our historical fencing club for almost two years now and despite being quite a "movement dyslexic" (how my oldest coach called these people), he got hooked and improves constantly.
This works for sports or martial arts for the most part. Archery is a bit different in that if you start too late you won't have the chance to develop the necessary back and shoulder muscles to draw a powerful bow. However as a beginner they would probably start her off with a 10 or 15 lbs bow and take it from there depending on her physical condition. Training does help imensely though, and persistence.
Which historical fencing club are you in? I know of ARMA and read their forums (and write from time to time), but there is no ARMA group in Bulgaria so I can't participate, and I'm not flying to the USA to practice :D
Quote Posted by robthom
The NuGarret is X-Treme dude!
He drinks Redbull and hangs out with Lil Hammerite Daddy.
Maybe its the Japanese influence.
It seems like eidos montreal are basically a western(ish) arm of sqeenix.
Garret has been final fantasy'd.
He hangs from ledges by one hand and fires his Glock at the po-po with the other. If you see the guard - Warn-a-Brother.
Quote Posted by robthom
I'm fine with it as long as its gangsta.
Hopefully NuGarret can get a gold plated upgrayyed at some point.
And Diamonds dude!
Diamonds!
(Or at least cubic zirconias.)
Gold plated sword yo. Sheiiiit!
Quote Posted by marrow monkey
Sorry to say it but I don't like it at all. I've done some archery as a hobby in the past and the NuBow makes no sense, neither from an archery perspective nor an engineering perspective (nor a thief perspective for that matter). Garrett couldn't possibly aim with it when holding it sideways (I assume that is because they don't want the bow to cover the central areas of the screen so I can sort of accept that but I would still have preferred if he held it vertically though).
That said, I don't really care that much about what the bow looks like but it's a bad indication of how the developers have been reasoning about the game. :erg:
It's obviously a prop. It looks clumsy, it's strung with shoelaces (as I said already) so it has a draw weight of potato. If they wanted a compact but realistic medieval bow, why not a composite recurved bow like the Mongol horse archers used? Taffers...
Beleg Cúthalion on 18/5/2013 at 19:46
Quote Posted by Myth
This works for sports or martial arts for the most part. Archery is a bit different in that if you start too late you won't have the chance to develop the necessary back and shoulder muscles to draw a powerful bow. However as a beginner they would probably start her off with a 10 or 15 lbs bow and take it from there depending on her physical condition. Training does help imensely though, and persistence.
Well, are the muscles used for other activities so much different from back and shoulder muscles? IMHO it's just a matter of proper coaching, as you said.
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Which historical fencing club are you in? I know of ARMA and read their forums (and write from time to time), but there is no ARMA group in Bulgaria so I can't participate, and I'm not flying to the USA to practice :D
I'm in a small (but fine) HEMA club in Eastern Germany (I'd give you the internet page but it looks horrible and as soon as you improve your fencing, old photos look embarassing). We don't have a lot of members but try to annoy other clubs and people in Germany and beyond as often as possible, exchanging ideas about how to approach the sources (two of us are from the humanities, one even specialising in old German manuscripts) and other stuff like proper coaching. Personally I've been put off by some of the ARMA's "explanations" of how things should work, not least since a few years ago even Poland's ARMA lost its top staff due to JC's impolitic ways. They still might have a great deal of knowledge and experience, though. I admit I haven't seen a Bulgarian HEMA group yet. I am aware of groups as far as (
http://maps.google.de/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=de&om=1&msa=0&msid=108461239144680584019.00000112996828e5725a9&z=6) Hungary, but that's still a long way to go. What about the usual argument of getting a group of people, a few books, visiting a few seminars and then starting on your own...?
Myth on 20/5/2013 at 06:22
The only group I know of here is (
http://www.baga-tur.com/news.php) Bagatur which is sort of a travelling band of reenactors, who are attempting to revive Bulgarian HMAs coming from the Second Kingdom, and further back to the Proto Bulgarians and even Thracians (I watched their displays of horsemanship and Thracian religious ceremonies last year at (
http://www.facebook.com/eagleonthedanube?fref=ts) Eagle on the Danube).
I'd love to start my own but I'd like to at least get the basics from more experienced practitioners. I used to train Aikido and our dojo used the bo and bokken more extensively than others, but still one had to train for several years to really be allowed to use the weapons even on a basic level.
Which sources do you use? Talhoffer? Being German and having German scholars gives you a distinct advantage, I must say. Also, as I talk around some forums I get a distinct impression that more and more people have become disenchanted with ARMA for one reason or another. I personally value their "real life combat" approach, but I don't have personal experience with them IRL.
