Convict on 2/12/2007 at 21:30
Quote Posted by Tocky
Just so you know, my lack of ideology led me to be lazy about responding as well as the distraction of my harem spending the countrys deeply indebtedness. Nothing personal. I did, however, feel sorry for you when there was no amen from the choir. What is the world coming to?
What are you on about?
Yakoob on 2/12/2007 at 21:42
Quote Posted by Swiss Mercenary
No, you dumbfuck, that's not my idea of morality. It is some people's idea of morality, and because of that, moral relativism doesn't work.
On the contrary - it PROVES moral relativism. I have a different idea of morality, hence morality is relative. Durrr?
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Society? Great. I'll go gather my fellow believers, and we'll stone you to death, then
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So, you only respect the beliefs of others when many of them share those beliefs?
I'll get busy with calling up my friends then. We'll stone you, and then sleep with clear consciences.
I see you still fail to see my point. The society argument works only because the woman decided to become a part of their society, hence must obey its laws. I, on the other hand, am not a part of "your" society (god forbid) and thus, there's no reason for me to abide by what you say. And, as I said, your views don't reflect those of TTLG either, so I can stay and say what I want here as much as I please. If you managed to convince everyone at TTLG to make me stfu then yes, you would be right and I would have to do that, or leave. But alas...
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You don't even understand the consequences of your own ideology. If you give a damn about happyness, relativism should be completely out of the picture.
What? Out of anything, happyness is probably the most relative thing known to man...
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Not as much illogical laws as bread and circuses, smoke and mirrors, and witchburnings.
What are you even trying to say here?
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Of course it works. It's happening. Doesn't make them justified in doing it. Doesn't excuse them from condemnation. Doesn't make their brand of morality anything but a bucket of piss.
Hey, if it works, it works. It may not work for us, but it works for THEM. As long as it keeps their civilization going and they don't complain, it pretty much justifies itself.
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Not if the first has no qualms against non-murder killings. Justified killings. "They will otherwise kill us" is pretty good justification.
I hope you realize that a "justification" is a pillar of moral realtivism.
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Yeah, and Germans were happy under Nazi rule. Right.
Ummm... I think I'll repeat what someone said and recommend you open a history book.
Germany: Regime enforces harsh law, people obey out of fear.
Sudan: Regime enforces very lenient law, people go into outrage and demand more.
See a difference?
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We could try starting with the part where they want to behead that woman for naming a bear "Mohammed."
translation: "What they did was immoral because it was immoral."
Quote Posted by Muzman
Moral Relativism is being completely misused in this thread. It's a description as much as it is any sort of practice and as its reference to science suggests merely describes the notion that right or wrong or inbetween is a matter of ones frame of reference, making it hard to make concrete judgements when removed from a particular circumstance.
Thank you. That's exactly what I've been trying to say!
TafferLing on 3/12/2007 at 00:43
Quote Posted by Yakoob
translation: "What they did was immoral because it was something so moronic you wouldn't believe it came out from beings smarter than squirrels."
Fixed:thumb:
Tocky on 3/12/2007 at 04:39
Quote Posted by Convict
What are you on about?
Is there another way to take "Many cultures like going to war to collect treasure and wimminz. Take America for example."? Perhaps you meant the history of exploiting and exploring America for riches and not current US conflicts which have an element of possible though unrealized riches but are mostly ideological at base?
To get back to actual discussion, how does civil disobedience and a view toward world community and a non crazy future fit in to this notion of let them be idiots if it works for them? What if you fear insanity wont die out on it's own but spread? Speak out and die? Stay silent and hope? If crazy works go crazy?
Vasquez on 3/12/2007 at 06:53
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EDIT: Should voluntary polygamy be allowed?
Sure, why not? If it's voluntary, who is it gonna hurt?
Spaztick on 3/12/2007 at 08:08
Quote Posted by Vasquez
Sure, why not? If it's voluntary, who is it gonna hurt?
Polygamous marriages usually doesn't work out very well, even if everyone agrees to it there's eventually going to be some jealousies that would arise. Even if there weren't, it's difficult economically and physically (heh) to have a polygamous marriage, that and many families are put through abuse not because of polygamy but the surrounding social structure that is associated with it.
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It's almost impossible to find hard statistics about polygamy, because plural marriages are rarely documented. Many Mormon fundamentalist sects are closed communities that shun contact with non-members. So it's difficult to determine the frequency of abuses such as marrying minors, marriages between close relatives or physical and sexual abuse. However, a wealth of anecdotal evidence suggests that these abuses often occur.
In addition to such traumatic abuses, people who have left (or, in their words, "escaped") polygamist families point out that the structure of such families crushes female independence. Husbands are absolute authorities, and wives and children are completely subservient to them. Because wives are so dependent on their husband and the other wives, they often lack the life skills to live on their own. This makes it especially difficult to leave. In addition, many polygamist wives were born and raised in polygamist families. They have been in the polygamist lifestyle from birth, so they have a hard time seeing a way out.
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http://people.howstuffworks.com/polygamy1.htm) How Stuff Works
There are legal reasons as well but they aren't enforced. While polygamy is illegal in the US, it's not prosecuted directly and usually is associated with child abuse or another charge. Wives and husbands practicing polygamy are married in ceremony but don't posses multiple marriage licenses.
Vasquez on 3/12/2007 at 08:22
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Polygamous marriages usually doesn't work out very well
Neither do monogamous ;)
Shug on 3/12/2007 at 09:22
yeah, everyone knows defacto relationships are way better than marriages!
nickie on 3/12/2007 at 09:31
Well she seems to have been pardoned - which is nice.
But although there were reports of mobs calling for the death of the teddy, there is still no news yet of its fate.
