TDS: Krellek's Labyrinth 0.8 & 0.9 (Beta)

ascottk on 13/9/2005 at 20:53

Krellek's Labyrinth 0.9
Updated: 10/5/05

(http://files.filefront.com/TDS_Krelleks_Labyrinth_09zip/;4214033;;/fileinfo.html) Labyrinth0.9@filefront
I won't bother epithumia @ thiefmissions until the final release

Sources to follow (unr, triggerscripts, gfx, etc.)

For some reason I started working on a map previous to 0.8 so some of the changes of 0.8 might be missing.

*If you have a strange looking band around the display then updating your video drivers will help* (nvidia)

Additions, Fixes, & Enhancements for 0.9:

* Chalice is no longer an inventory item. Just frob & complete objective (I forgot about KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid)
* Redid crypt objective
* Redid 0.8 changes
* Reworked some normal mapped textures
* Player can throw away readables now (see notes below)
* New GLTitle courtesy of potterr & a new loading screen
* Added more stuff to rooms (mainly the drab & boring ones)
* Maze enhancement: Randomly changes which path is available until the player enters the maze (2 possibilities *I'm not sure it works yet*)
* Fixed some possible objective problems
* Finally wrote a debriefing
* Rope Arrows! They'll take some getting used to but I just had to implement them ;)

*PLAY NOTES*

* Rope Arrows: Only climbable on the east or west side
* Inventory Readables: Use the readables (like the inventory keys) on the weird looking wire buckets/cans to delete them WIP (may have unfavorable side effects). Deletion may delete readables the player hasn't come across yet.

I decided I wanted to move on from this mission so disregard any previous ramblings about this mission evolving.

Next up: bug fixing & more texture work (Just found a problem with some normal map seams)
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Krellek's Labyrinth r0.8 v1.3 (revision 0.8, version 1.3)
Updated: 09/18/05

(http://files.filefront.com/TDS_Krelleks_Labyrinth_08zip/;4166168;;/fileinfo.html) Labyrinth0.8@filefront
I won't bother epithumia @ thiefmissions until the final release and thiefmissions may be down due to Hurricane Rita

This is primarily a bug-fix release (there's still a few but you can beat the game now)

Additions, Fixes, & Enhancements for 0.8:

* Added custom & ambient sounds. The string music was written for T2's cutscene 10 (it was for a school presentation about film scoring). The piano music is an excerpt from William Whitley's (composition instructor @ WOU for 2004-05) performance of my piece Bb+-Eb (B-flat plus or minus E-flat). I only gave him two pages of music & he made 12 minute performance of it! The low-droning was a sound effect created for Steven Dietz's "God's Country". Other SFX were found on freesound.iua.upf.edu.
* Replaced the infamous "secret cupboard" near the library
* Replaced edible food sound (thanks New Horizon!) also reduced healing points (probably too low)
* fixed misplaced items
* Fixed some misleading notes & inconsistent terminology as well as typos, inventory text fixed
* Objectives are fixed (again). Now you can actually finish the mission. If you have all the loot & finish all the objectives then you can end the mission at the throne room. If you choose not to end it there then you can leave the castle.
* Jumped up the lockpicking difficulty

*I decided this mission is going to keep evolving. Due to the constantly changing discoveries and tweaks in the T3Ed forum and the having new ideas about how this mission is played.* Ignore this. I want to move on.

Krellek's Labyrinth r0.7 v1.2 (revision 0.7, version 1.2)
Updated: 09/13/05 (Skipped a few version numbers because there's been major progress & it's an odd number to indicate that there's experimental stuff)

Due to several unexpected turns of events, my enhanced version is ready to test drive. I'm sorry this took so long but the map had to accommodate the changes in the gamesys and the editor was being a PITA. I also went way beyond enhancements because this version includes several (if experimental) additions to gameplay. Keys, books, and other items are now inventory items so use them like you would a gas bomb or a health potion.

This only plays well with GarrettLoader every now & then. In case GL (1.02) doesn't work then backup your t3 stuff (Entry.gmp etc.) then extract to your main T3 directory. It works with Garrett Loader 1.11.

FM is here: 81.6+ MB zipped (sources will follow after testing is done)
(http://thiefmissions.com/thief3/demos/TDS_Krelleks-Labyrinth-0.7.zip) Labyrinth0.7@thiefmissions (Now available)

(http://files.filefront.com/TDS_Krelleks_Labyrinth_07zip/;4127964;;/fileinfo.html) Labyrinth0.7@filefront

You will also need T3Main.exe (http://www.potterdevelopments.org.uk/fm/files/downloadfile.pl?DLID=7725514) here.

Screenshots:
(http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t3main20050912225532760as.jpg)

Inline Image:

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2346/t3main20050912225532760as.th.jpg(http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t3main20050912230030791sb.jpg)

Inline Image:

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/4968/t3main20050912230030791sb.th.jpg(http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=t3main20050912230223140ad.jpg)

Inline Image:

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5816/t3main20050912230223140ad.th.jpg

I would also like feedback on the story line, readables, mood, etc.

What should happen

Objectives (or Difficulties):

[SPOILER]
* Helping Laremel find her mirror
* Finding Secret Doors
* Finding Info about Krellek
* Chalice Objectives (placeable)
* Awakening Sleeper
* Binding Spell Objectives
* Turning off Transporting Walls
* Releasing the Mages
* Stopping Krellek
* Leaving the mission
* Inventory keys, books, edible food
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Scripts (not a complete or detailed list):

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* Vanishing ghost (Laremel)
* Assassin invisibility scripts
* Laremel's Note scripts
* Transport wall scripts
* Sideways room "floor bugs"
* Acquiring lock picks
* Mage vanishing scripts
* Secret door scripts
* East Hall door scripts
* Generator scripts
* Crypt scripts
* Releasing Souls scripts
* Inventory items (readables, keys)

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AI:

[SPOILER]
* Krellek should be basically invulnerable to Player and is more aware.
* Other AIs are basically stock
* You can probably kill Laremel or the Sleeper. FIXED

[/SPOILER]

Known Bugs/Incomplete stuff:

[SPOILER]

* Hand drawn maps show on entry (editor specific I think/hope)
* Readable formatting sucks
* Player can frob through display case glass & walls, & the glass won't break FIXED Just copied & pasted cases from the museum mission.
* Restart shows no objectives or difficulty settings
* There is no debriefing yet
* If you throw the chalice & not pick it up before the offering objective then you'll get a duplicate of the chalice -- one on the statue & one on the floor (I tried to fix this . . . really I did . . . )
* Sideways room "floor bugs" do not harm the player yet. FIXED
* Set dressing that's triggered to fall when player enters does no harm yet. FIXED
* Notes are duplicated by inventory readables
* May need more detail in the readables. FIXED
* Crypt of Rest is bouncy.
* There'll be times of slow performance (mainly the throne room (WIP), library, & outside (WIP)). Too many emitters and sound in one zone. FIXED
NOTE: There was a corrupted brush (second floor room's window that used to look outside) that acted like a bridge between two zones. The zones merged & that room kept rendering even though I thought I totally sealed the room off. This was one reason why outside performance was terrible.
* Some normal mapped textures might look funky (some wood & stone textures) (WIP)
* I'll have to figure out a good way to end the mission (still thinking . . . ouch . . . ). For now just leave the castle or if you gather the necessary loot then finish the last objectives.

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Additions, Fixes, & Enhancements:

* Expanded the outside & revamped a lot of the architecture. There's a lot more to discover.
* Used customized John P. hi-res textures - Garrett w/covered arms & no-scar, altered textures & normal maps, & new textures (thanks str8g8 for the custom texture pack) WIP
* Fixed skybox. No more endless sky.
* Added new scripts & objects to gamesys - edible food, AI State Display, manipulatable quest items, inventory books (thanks ProjectX!), inventory keys (thanks Rantako!)
* Added ambient sounds (might need more)
* It is now easier to climb down from the outside using the vine.
* Added stuff to empty rooms (a lot of stuff ;) )
* Added more readables (fixed some misleading notes)
* Added hand drawn maps WIP
* Lost webs removed (T3Ed randomly threw my meshes around and I had to hunt them down. Sometimes I couldn't find them). So if you find any randomly placed meshes (aside from the deliberately places ones) this is the thread to tell about it . . . and laugh . . .
* Chalice objectives enhanced. You actually have a chalice you can manipulate.
* Moving Platform room changed to the Teleporting room
* Objectives in general are fixed
* Alcove BSP holes fixed
* Loot scores fixed
* First floating paper is hidden until objective is complete (floating papers have intro sound now)
* FX material & SFX added to East Hall doors to indicate that they're under magical influences. Very subtle but doing any more with it would cause a total mental breakdown. Those door scripts are very tricky.
* Fixed "souls" emitter sounds so they're not on all the time
* Replaced torches with electrics in the throne room to cut on on emitter use (still doesn't help performance :p )
* Library bookshelves no longer shadow cast
* General lighting fixes
* Fixed fireplace shadows

Future Plans

* More custom textures
* Custom sounds (I'm a composer/sound designer for crying out loud. One of the reasons I made this is to inspire me to write more music!)
* Custom AI (when cheap/free resources become available. Many thanks to the devs, BTW)
* Custom Meshes
* Oh yeah, bug fixes . . .

Minimum Vertex Pools in user.ini should be & could be:

Code:

DynamicVertexPool=7077888
StaticVertexPool=5898240
StaticShadowVertexPool=3538944

And thanks to everyone because this is my first complete map & this has been a tremendous learning experience! Beta 0.7 wouldn't be this good without your feedback!

ascottk on 13/9/2005 at 21:11

[SPOILER]
Getting inside

* Front door - the key in the south west tower.
* Roof - there's a vine you can climb next to the graveyard
* The hole - opposite of the graveyard, it's dark but if you're cautious enough you can see the torchlight & you can ease yourself down without losing any health

Maps

* Architect's room
* SE Tower connected to the building

Once you enter the east halls, the doors will get funky. The doors will walk behind you and you can't get to the Hammer-themed hall. Certain doorways will open a certain door while another closes. You cannot exit the east halls until you find Laremel's mirror.

Laramel's objectives

* Find her mirror - after the inkbottle is frobbed there's a hidden door in the corner. The mirror is in front of the zombie. Once this is done you can leave the east halls
* Find information about the sleeper. Laremel gives a note on where it might be. It turns out it's in a hidden door that conveniently opens in the west halls.

Sleeper objectives

* Find the chalice. It's in a chest. It needs a key.
* Bathe the chalice. It's dirty. The water is outside. Throw the Chalice at the fountain!
* Offer the chalice. Frob the growth on the statue (not the upside-down one) with the dish. You should lose the chalice in your inventory then it'll magically appear on the growth.
* Read the spell near the sleeper

Find Krellek's Binding Spell & associated objectives

* It's upstairs in the southwest room on a desk. A Laremel note will be floating around telling you a secret door will be opened that'll allow you to go further north! Only if you . . .
* . . .burn a plant. It's downstairs in the southwest. Blow it away with a fire arrow. You left some fire arrows next to the fireplace, BTW.
* Now you extinguish the fires on top of the castle. Yeah, the funny bowls with the blue fire. Those ones. There's a room on the second floor with a ladder.
* Cripes! Find the Three Corners? Go away. Well, after you extinguish the fire you can frob the painting in the northwest room (1st floor) on the south wall. Cool, there's a fire arrow.

Once you frob that door then the transporting walls should disappear. Then you walk through the nearest passage. The furthest western hall (also the longest one) has a hidden door on the western-most wall (if you're heading south, it's on your right). It'll highlight when you're close. Behind that door is a switch. Then two hidden doors will open. One right next to the NW stairs (the room with two tables) & one in the room next to it (the abstract room north of the display cases).

One door leads to the Mages, one leads to Krellek.

The way to the Mages is through a funky cave-like room with death water & some elevators. There are Keeper Glyphs & when you walk into them you'll get transported to another elevator/platform. Just look for the reversed glyphs (watch out though, one glyph sends you to the start of the map). Beyond that is a maze. Then you get to the Mages. Blow up one of the coils with a fire arrow. Hopefully you didn't use them on the invisible guys (there's one more fire arrow in the next room ).

The way to Krellek is your everyday, same-ol', same-ol', angled rooms (ala Contantine's Mansion). Watch out for the falling . . . oops . . . furniture . . . Now you get to a large room (which oddly looks like the Kurshok dining room) but it's sideways. Get down, Garrett, & boogie woogie. yay. There's some crates to help you down. What? There's a zombie underneath? You need to go there to find the climbing gloves. Apparently the shops were out of rope arrows. Now climb up. Watch out for the "floor bugs".

Then you get to some sideways stairs. Use the climbing gloves or jump carefully onto the lights. Now you're in the main throne room. There's Krellek near the throne. There's a dead guy near a torch. The dead guy's a Keeper. He has a note. Lure Krellek to the generator. The generator is the middle room, bottom floor. Only the generator will kill Krellek. Do that. Now place him onto the crypt in the middle of the room. The crypt should open, bounce around (actually shouldn't) and Krellek looks like he's in a rodeo. Now you see stuff flying to the ceiling.

If you found all the loot & finished the main objectives then you're done. Game over. Congratulations! You won a free trip to the Shalebridge Cradle (actually you go to Garrett's apartment)!
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potterr on 13/9/2005 at 21:27

Downloading now :cheeky: ....Filefront is dead slow at the moment :(
For those that may have trouble with this in GarrettLoader 1.02, it should be fine in version 1.11 (out tommorrow if there are no more bugs reported).

Just a note also, ascottk informs me that there are updated ini files designed for GarrettLoader 1.11 to use. If you try in version 1.02 you will have to adjust the ini files yourself, just take the info out of the "...._patch.ini" (where .... = the orginal file name minus the .ini extention) and add to the appropriate ini file...or wait about 24 hours (which is about as long as it seems to be taking to download from filefront).

ascottk on 13/9/2005 at 21:34

I included the user.ini in the fan mission extras folder just in case.

potterr on 13/9/2005 at 22:09

First impressions are WOW....I have not gone into the building just yet, but spotted a potential issue. When loading up (which i have done a few times now to check) I get the occasional "NO HELP TEXT FOR (ENGLISH)" message, not sure if the quotes have been changed?

One other thing I noticed is that the loot glint and frobbing colour is brown now as well so that has transferred across ok.

The ini file updates great although when do you see the maps (as when I go into the map button I get nothing), do I have to find it first?

Also love the GLTitle :thumb:
Back to the game...

ascottk on 13/9/2005 at 22:16

Quote Posted by potterr

Quotes have not been changed & I made sure the readables work but my installation may have strands of previous files still hanging around. & yes you do need to find the maps (they should be easy to find).

potterr on 13/9/2005 at 22:32

Cool, one other thing I found (and this is GL doing it), is that I got the save games from the previous version. I think GL had a bit of trouble with the .4a.zip and the .7.zip (with the double dots (.) in the file name), but that can be fixed for tomorrow.
Also the rooms are looking very good so far.
I have to say though with the brown loot glint and frobs the difficulty level went up a bit.

ascottk on 13/9/2005 at 22:43

Quote Posted by potterr

I'm glad I got this out when I did. I was hoping to get this out a little earlier so you could test GL. The loot glint was from John P.'s texture pack I used in this T3Ed install. There's one reason why this release is so big :erg: . It wouldn't run w/o the Kernel_GFXALL.ibt & the inventory keys wouldn't run w/o the Kernel_TSDALL. the GFX itself is over 17 megs.

potterr on 13/9/2005 at 22:58

I got a crash to desktop after climbing down the vine and turning round at the bottom, only happened once though.

The AI seem to be a bit more aware this time as well. :thumb:
Also the rooms are well packed....

[SPOILER]Odd thing though, I picked up a shelf (where the sunken bed is on the ground floor), and when trying to drop it appear back on the wall again.[/SPOILER]

ascottk on 13/9/2005 at 23:16

Quote Posted by potterr

[SPOILER]Odd thing though, I picked up a shelf (where the sunken bed is on the ground floor), and when trying to drop it appear back on the wall again.[/SPOILER]

That actually fits the theme of this mission. Pretty cool . . .