DeWall's revenge on 23/9/2019 at 14:33
Quote Posted by Yandros
Yes on that, and in fact the contest thread specifically stresses not to play the contest missions with any mods installed.
Also I merged your thread into the main thread for this mission. In the future, search for and find it and post questions there, that way all the questions relevant to a FM are in one place.
My bad, i'll do that from now on.
DeWall's revenge on 23/9/2019 at 14:47
Quote Posted by trefoilknot
Many missions conflict with HDMOD and some (though far fewer) run into issues with EP2. I believe the readme of this mission specifically says to turn off all mods—most of Skacky's missions do.
Try playing totally vanilla and see if that works.
I find that HD-mod 1.2 and EP2 work fine together. (With the following adjustment to cam_mod.ini : mod_path usermods+hdmod+hdmod\t2skies+patches).
Hmmm, i have tried with everything from a clean install to any combination of the mods, but nothing seems to work. It is still the same problem with those specific character models. I even tried installing thief gold on a different hardisk to avoid settings from previous installs and tried downloading the FM from different sites.
Still downwinders, Ramirez guards and Raoul look like ungodly horrors.
I have not had issues with any other mods and that includes all of Skacky's and Feuillade Industry's (FireMage, skacky & Squadafroin) stuff for thiefGOLD.
IE your Endless rain, shadow politics, chalice of souls, Between These Dark Walls and The Unseen. (Mindblowingly brilliant stuff BTW).
The fact that the problem is revolves around some specific character models makes me suspect that there could be a quite simple fix. Alas simple is still beyond my humble abilites.
Unna Oertdottir on 23/9/2019 at 14:58
Post thief.log. It's in the root folder.
DeWall's revenge on 23/9/2019 at 15:17
Will do
Is this it?
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: PID: 19552
: CPU: arch=x86-64 , fam=586 , cpus=4
: SIMD: SSE=3 , 3DNow=0 , MMX=1
: Large Address Aware is enabled.
: OS Version: 6.2.9200
: Desktop resolution: 1920 x 1080
: Virtual desktop resolution: 1920 x 1080
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: Command line: "C:\Users\Hal-9000\Desktop\Thief Gold\THIEF.EXE" -fm
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: CWD: C:\Users\Hal-9000\Desktop\Thief Gold
: FM Path: FMs\Sound of a Burrick in a Room
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: App Version: Thief 2 Final 1.27
: --------------------- misc config -------------------------
: resname_base .\patches+.\tgpatch+.\res
: load_path .\patches+.\
: script_module_path .\
: movie_path FMs\Sound of a Burrick in a Room\Movies+.\movies
: mod_path usermods+hdmod+hdmod\t2skies+patches
: install_path .\
: language english
: game_screen_size 1920 1080
: game_screen_depth 32
: game_screen_flags 45
: game_full_screen 1
: game_hardware 1
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: ui_scale_mode 2
: use_d3d_display
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: SlowFrame 4
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: force_32bit
: force_32bit_textures
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: disable_lightmap_aniso
: tex_edge_padding 2
: alpha_test_as_opaque
: default_alphatest_ref 1
: d3d_disp_enable_atoc 1
: d3d_disp_sw_cc
: d3d_disp_enable_hdr
: multisampletype 0
: postprocess 0
: d3d_disp_enable_distortionfx
: sfx_device 4
: sfx_channels 48
: sfx_vol_music 0
: sfx_vol_2d 0
: sfx_vol_3d 0
: game dark
: dark1
: obj_min -6144
: obj_max 8000
: max_refs 32768
: gui_font intrface\smalfont
: enhanced_sky 1
: skip_intro
: new_mantle
: z_far 512
: wr_render_zcomp
: render_weapon_particles
: legacy_force_match_unrefs 0
: dark_zcomp_arm
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: Enumerating D3D9 adapters (1)...
: Adapter 0
: device name: \\.\DISPLAY1
: driver : igdumdim32.dll
: descr : Intel(R) HD Graphics 620
: driver ver : 0x00180014-0064188E
: vendor id : 0x00008086
: device id : 0x00005916
: subsys id : 0x39C517AA
: device guid: D7B78E66-1A56-11CF-946C-A119B9C2
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: 320 x 200 x 32
: 320 x 240 x 32
: 400 x 300 x 32
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: 1152 x 864 x 32
: unsupported mode 1280 x 600 x 32 (not in mode table)
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: 1280 x 768 x 32
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: 1600 x 900 x 32
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: 1920 x 1080 x 32
: Device Validation
: validated ok, device added (0, E390000)
: Enumeration done
: OpenAL Init...
: OpenAL32.dll: 6.14.357.24
: wrap_oal.dll: 2.2.0.5
: Default device: Generic Software
: Enumerating devices without validation...
: Device: Generic Software
: found 1 unvalidated device(s)
: Enumerating extended devices without validation...
: Device: Generic Software on Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
: found 1 unvalidated extended device(s)
: Opening default OpenAL device "Generic Software"...
: Device 0 (default)
: name : Generic Software
: version : 1.1
: version str: 1.1
: vendor : Creative Labs Inc.
: renderer : Software
: 3D sources : 248
: 2D sources : 8
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: EAX2 : 1
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: EAX4 : 0
: EAX5 : 0
: occlusion : 1
: XRAM : 0
: Opened device 'Generic Software'
: EAX reverb support enabled
: occlusion support enabled
: D3DProvider: Enumerating adapter 0 modes
: 320 x 200 x 32
: 320 x 240 x 32
: 400 x 300 x 32
: 512 x 384 x 32
: 640 x 400 x 32
: 640 x 480 x 32
: 800 x 600 x 32
: 1024 x 768 x 32
: 1152 x 864 x 32
: unsupported mode 1280 x 600 x 32 (not in mode table)
: 1280 x 720 x 32
: 1280 x 768 x 32
: 1280 x 800 x 32
: 1280 x 960 x 32
: 1280 x 1024 x 32
: 1360 x 768 x 32
: 1366 x 768 x 32
: 1400 x 1050 x 32
: 1440 x 900 x 32
: 1600 x 900 x 32
: 1680 x 1050 x 32
: 1920 x 1080 x 32
: D3DProvider: Enumeration done
: sw framerate cap requested (10000 us)
: D3DProvider StartMode: smode 1920x1080x32 ; mode 640x480x32 (5 9 0 2D) ; 2d_surf_mode: 0
: CreateDevice: res = D3D_OK ; 1920x1080 fmt=35 zfmt=75 cnt=2 ms=0 swap=1 fs=1 hz=0 pres=1 flags=2
: OpenAL Init...
: OpenAL32.dll: 6.14.357.24
: wrap_oal.dll: 2.2.0.5
: Default device: Generic Software
: Enumerating devices without validation...
: Device: Generic Software
: found 1 unvalidated device(s)
: Enumerating extended devices without validation...
: Device: Generic Software on Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
: found 1 unvalidated extended device(s)
: Opening default OpenAL device "Generic Software"...
: Device 0 (default)
: name : Generic Software
: version : 1.1
: version str: 1.1
: vendor : Creative Labs Inc.
: renderer : Software
: 3D sources : 248
: 2D sources : 8
: EFX : 1
: EAX2 : 1
: EAX3 : 0
: EAX4 : 0
: EAX5 : 0
: occlusion : 1
: XRAM : 0
: Opened device 'Generic Software'
: EAX reverb support enabled
: occlusion support enabled
: OpenAL Init...
: OpenAL32.dll: 6.14.357.24
: wrap_oal.dll: 2.2.0.5
: Default device: Generic Software
: Enumerating devices without validation...
: Device: Generic Software
: found 1 unvalidated device(s)
: Enumerating extended devices without validation...
: Device: Generic Software on Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
: found 1 unvalidated extended device(s)
: Opening default OpenAL device "Generic Software"...
: Device 0 (default)
: name : Generic Software
: version : 1.1
: version str: 1.1
: vendor : Creative Labs Inc.
: renderer : Software
: 3D sources : 248
: 2D sources : 8
: EFX : 1
: EAX2 : 1
: EAX3 : 0
: EAX4 : 0
: EAX5 : 0
: occlusion : 1
: XRAM : 0
: Opened device 'Generic Software'
: EAX reverb support enabled
: occlusion support enabled
: Loaded script module "gen.osm" [FileModDate=2018-Aug-25]
: Loaded script module "convict.osm" [FileModDate=2018-Aug-25]
: sw framerate cap requested (10000 us)
: D3DProvider StartMode: smode 1920x1080x32 ; mode 1920x1080x32 (7 9 1 3D) ; 2d_surf_mode: 3
: sw framerate cap requested (10000 us)
: D3DProvider StartMode: smode 1920x1080x32 ; mode 640x480x32 (5 9 1 2D) ; 2d_surf_mode: 0
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This is an install with all mods- TFix 1.27 and HD-mod 1.2
trefoilknot on 23/9/2019 at 17:31
Quote Posted by DeWall's revenge
I find that HD-mod 1.2 and EP2 work fine together.
They may work perfectly fine with each other---that doesn't mean they work perfectly fine with all FMs. Skacky's in particular are known for breaking in various ways when used with HDMOD, hence why he stresses that they be played without HDMOD (see the readme file). For example, Chalice of Souls has a ton of broken/missing textures if you try to play with HDMOD enabled.
I can't be 100% sure this is the source of the issue you're encountering, but it seems like a likely starting place. Try vanilla and if the problem persists, we can think about more subtle solutions.
DeWall's revenge on 24/9/2019 at 00:44
I tried installing on a different harddisk to avoid some earlier settings carrrying over from a previous install, this version only included the TFix which i think is required to play "SOABIAR" and includes FMsel. I don't think i can go more vanilla than that on windows 10.
I just played through chalice of souls this weekend without issues (Except miles upon miles of tile floors, but that wasn't a texture problem).
The only people i can se with similar problems are when they use TGTool instead of TFix in combination with the HD mod. And it has something to do with that the original thief models being symmetrical in the respect that their texture skin covers half their body and are dublicated/mirrored on both sides. I probably didn't explain that very well.
DirkBogan on 24/9/2019 at 01:21
I believe everybody understands your issue. If you stop using these graphics mods, the issues with cease. If you don't, they will remain. Unfortunately, there is no middle ground here.
The solution to your problem comes with the added benefit of seeing the mission exactly how the author intended, with all his meticulous colour and material choices, as well as correct alignment on surfaces. Playing this FM with the visual style it was designed for is its own reward.
DeWall's revenge on 24/9/2019 at 01:30
Quote Posted by DirkBogan
I believe everybody understands your issue. If you stop using these graphics mods, the issues with cease. If you don't, they will remain. Unfortunately, there is no middle ground here. .
As i stated in post #126, the issue remains on an clean install, on a different harddisk and without graphics mods.
DirkBogan on 24/9/2019 at 02:18
If that is the case, and you still have this clean install available, can you post the contents of your install.cfg file? Perhaps your TFix install is loading a T2 mesh for these characters, and so incorrectly displaying the 'mirrored' T1 mesh texture.
Also, please ensure that all the 'mod paths' lines in cam_mod.ini have semicolons in front of them.
An additional thing you could try, if you have the GOG version of Thief Gold, is simply make a clean install of that executable without installing TFix.