TDP20AC Mission — Making a Profit (11/30/2018)

vfig on 15/6/2022 at 08:30

thanks for playing! im glad you enjoyed it.

Quote Posted by thehardyboyz

1 : I found a Sanctuary Key on the sleeping Warden - This key seemed only able to open a small part of the top floor room containing a few weapons and I didn't find anything special inside.
Did I miss something ?

this key opens all the ordinary locked doors in the "sanctuary": the training room, armory, library, tower, and the gates in the garden; all of those but the armory are pickable too, of course—they spent money on a better quality lock for the armory so as to keep the novices away from the fun explosives, i suppose! only the private chambers of the ranking members (as you might expect) and basement (because the story structure needed it) have their own specific key. thinking back, i should probably have had more than one copy of the sanctuary key around, both for convenience and to communicate that it wasnt particularly special.

Quote Posted by thehardyboyz

2 : I freed a prisoner in the basement. Didn't find him again in the mission. Was he supposed to be somewhere, or related to any secret/bonus objective ?

he is the caretaker of the cemetery, and (if he evades the hammerites on the way out) will make his way back to the little wooden hut just near the cemetery gates. i didnt think of it at the time, but it would have been a suitable bonus objective to make sure he reaches his hut alive…

thehardyboyz on 15/6/2022 at 15:41

Quote Posted by vfig

thanks for playing! im glad you enjoyed it.

this key opens all the ordinary locked doors in the "sanctuary": the training room, armory, library, tower, and the gates in the garden; all of those but the armory are pickable too, of course—they spent money on a better quality lock for the armory so as to keep the novices away from the fun explosives, i suppose! only the private chambers of the ranking members (as you might expect) and basement (because the story structure needed it) have their own specific key. thinking back, i should probably have had more than one copy of the sanctuary key around, both for convenience and to communicate that it wasnt particularly special.

he is the caretaker of the cemetery, and (if he evades the hammerites on the way out) will make his way back to the little wooden hut just near the cemetery gates. i didnt think of it at the time, but it would have been a suitable bonus objective to make sure he reaches his hut alive…

Thanks for your answer Sir, I’m happy to see these questions were not totally irrelevant ahah. Once again, congrats for your work, I’m looking forward to play your next FM ! :D

rostok on 23/11/2022 at 20:44

Thanks for this fantastic mission truly a great map. It's not really a big issue but I have found funny bug:

After I saving Anax I carried him out of the rower and wanted to see if I can drop him all the way down. So I stacked couple of boxes near the fence right of the tower and let him go. Not only he survived this fall but also slid to the gallows. Unfortunately this was not the place to put him and objective didn't get triggered.

baeuchlein on 23/11/2022 at 22:09

Can't you just pick him up again and bring him to where you should deliver him?

vfig on 24/11/2022 at 00:07

Quote Posted by rostok

It's not really a big issue but I have found funny bug:

what part of the word “safely” made you think “i should throw him off a cliff”???? :D

(it would have been even funnier if my scripting had actually recognised that as objective complete though!)

baeuchlein on 24/11/2022 at 01:00

Safety is a relative term.:cheeky: Much better than throwing him into a volcano, don't you think?

rostok on 24/11/2022 at 01:32

Quote Posted by vfig

what part of the word “safely” made you think “i should throw him off a cliff”???? :D

Not a big fan of hammerite zealots. I wanted to take a shortcut and you know how's the Thief physics, sometimes you just bounce off walls and don't lose a single hitpoint.

Quote Posted by vfig

(it would have been even funnier if my scripting had actually recognised that as objective complete though!)

Thought you might be interested since I also got "don't bite the hand that feeds" failed ending for blackjacking the keeper.

Hit Deity on 4/2/2023 at 23:06

Just finished this mission. Very nice old-school Thief Gold type mission. Nicely done.

I even returned His Royal Plumpness, the Anax, to his room.. but I didn't get any sort of reward for it. I felt bad just leaving him lying in the street when Garrett says this should do it. Oh well.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/b40jcfwwnrcf8d8/anaxbed.png?dl=0)

As for the sound design, I noticed a few subtle changes, but I'm not sure if everything was working properly or not. I didn't really get any major sound changes that I could tell. Not even sure how to determine if those are working or not, or that I might just be missing them.

I didn't even know about being able to take a shortcut out of the last area where the ritual takes place!! I lugged that big guy all the way back up the tower and over the wall, and then in through the secret upper window of his room. I never did find a key to his chamber.

Overall it was a very enjoyable mission with lots to do and all the puzzles were well done and solvable without any major issues. Something that I normally struggle with because they're usually designed either poorly, or too cleverly for my brain. I can't remember the last time I didn't have to resort to some kind of hint or walkthrough to finish a full mission like this.

I never even thought to try the trick of washing the blood off the thief's note; I just noticed the pic in the Tome with the face with the horn, and it clicked after a few seconds what it was referring to.. and then I just randomly tried the remaining possible combos and got it in 4 (out of 6) tries.

I felt like there was a proportionately larger amount of lockpicking than other FMs of this size, but it didn't bother me much at all. I liked that most of the doors that were pickable were the simpler wood doors, chests, etc.. while the fancier metal doors and some choice objects were not.. which is very logical.

With the rare exception, the vast majority of doors opened the proper direction (away from me) so that I didn't get bonked in the nose each time I picked one open!! Huge props for getting that right.

While I'm not a fan of constant ambients in missions, I felt like these were well done and appropriate for what vfig accomplished with the sound in regards to the plot pacing of the mission.

I also had the readables bug where the text was nigh illegible. I finally tracked it down to the Mod override in AngelLoader, or that I needed to disable the HDMod specifically. Turning that single setting off was a whole lot easier than some of the solutions I've seen listed about changing certain files.

I also had to move squirrel.osm into my main directory to get past the initial room, but I think I could have solved that by also editing the correct ini file to include the OSM directory for mods.

Great job, vfig, especially for a first mission. You certainly have a gift. Can't wait to see what you come up with next!

Azaran on 11/3/2023 at 02:47

So I was going to replay this, but for some reason it's crashing now (I've played it before with no issues). Here's my Thief log in case someone can figure it out

Code:

: PID: 11244
: CPU: arch=x86-64 , fam=586 , cpus=4
: SIMD: SSE=3 , 3DNow=0 , MMX=1
: OS Version: 6.2.9200
: Desktop resolution: 1768 x 992
: Virtual desktop resolution: 1768 x 992
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: Command line: "D:\ThiefG\THIEF.EXE"
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: unsupported mode 1768 x 992 x 32 (not in mode table)
: CWD: D:\ThiefG
: FM Path: FMs\TDP20AC_MakingAProfit
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: App Version: Thief 2 Final 1.27
: --------------------- misc config -------------------------
: resname_base .\mods+.\mods\EP\Thief1+.\mods\EP+.\patches+.\res
: load_path .\
: script_module_path .\
: movie_path FMs\TDP20AC_MakingAProfit\Movies+.\cutscenes+.\Data\cutscenes
: mod_path .\DMM\J4F-radar_all_in_one+.\patch_ext
: variant_path english
: install_path .\
: language english
: fm
: game_screen_size 1280 768
: game_screen_depth 32
: game_screen_flags 45
: game_full_screen 1
: d3d_driver_index 0
: game_hardware 1
: single_display_mode 2
: ui_scale_mode 2
: use_d3d_display
: framerate_cap 100.0
: SlowFrame 4
: SlowFrameUI 10
: force_32bit 1
: force_32bit_textures
: mipmap_mode 2
: lm_mipmap_mode 0
: lm_init_texmem 2
: lm_filter_margin 1
: tex_edge_padding 2
: alpha_test_as_opaque
: d3d_disp_enable_distortionfx
: sfx_device 1
: sfx_channels 16
: sfx_vol_music 0
: sfx_vol_2d 0
: sfx_vol_3d 0
: game dark
: dark1
: obj_min -18192
: obj_max 8184
: max_refs 47740
: gui_font intrface\smalfont
: enhanced_sky 1
: skip_intro
: new_mantle
: z_far 512
: wr_render_zcomp
: render_weapon_particles
: legacy_force_match_unrefs 0
: dark_zcomp_arm
: -----------------------------------------------------------
: Enumerating D3D9 adapters (1)...
: Adapter 0
: device name: \\.\DISPLAY1
: driver : nvldumd.dll
: descr : NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030
: driver ver : 0x001F0000-000F069E
: vendor id : 0x000010DE
: device id : 0x00001D01
: subsys id : 0x85F41043
: device guid: D7B71E3E-5E41-11CF-6D75-FBA50EC2
: desktop res: 1768 x 992
: Modes
: 640 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 576 x 32
: 800 x 600 x 32
: 1024 x 768 x 32
: 1152 x 864 x 32
: unsupported mode 1176 x 664 x 32 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1176 x 664 x 32 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1176 x 664 x 32 (not in mode table)
: 1280 x 720 x 32
: 1280 x 768 x 32
: 1280 x 800 x 32
: 1280 x 960 x 32
: 1280 x 1024 x 32
: 1360 x 768 x 32
: 1366 x 768 x 32
: 1600 x 900 x 32
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 32 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 32 (not in mode table)
: 1680 x 1050 x 32
: 1768 x 992 x 32
: 1920 x 1080 x 32
: 1440 x 900 x 32
: Device Validation
: validated ok, device added (0, E390000)
: Enumeration done
: D3DProvider: Enumerating adapter 0 modes
: 640 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 480 x 32
: 720 x 576 x 32
: 800 x 600 x 32
: 1024 x 768 x 32
: 1152 x 864 x 32
: unsupported mode 1176 x 664 x 32 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1176 x 664 x 32 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1176 x 664 x 32 (not in mode table)
: 1280 x 720 x 32
: 1280 x 768 x 32
: 1280 x 800 x 32
: 1280 x 960 x 32
: 1280 x 1024 x 32
: 1360 x 768 x 32
: 1366 x 768 x 32
: 1600 x 900 x 32
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 32 (not in mode table)
: unsupported mode 1600 x 1024 x 32 (not in mode table)
: 1680 x 1050 x 32
: 1768 x 992 x 32
: 1920 x 1080 x 32
: 1440 x 900 x 32
: D3DProvider: Enumeration done
: sw framerate cap requested (10000 us)
: D3DProvider StartMode: smode 1280x768x32 ; mode 640x480x32 (5 9 0 2D) ; 2d_surf_mode: 0
: CreateDevice: res = D3D_OK ; 1280x768 fmt=22 zfmt=75 cnt=1 ms=0 swap=1 fs=1 hz=0 pres=1 flags=2

vfig on 11/3/2023 at 03:30

Quote Posted by Azaran

So I was going to replay this, but for some reason it's crashing now (I've played it before with no issues). Here's my Thief log in case someone can figure it out

Code:

: resname_base .\mods+.\mods\EP\Thief1+.\mods\EP+.\patches+.\res
: mod_path .\DMM\J4F-radar_all_in_one+.\patch_ext

please try disabling the radar mod and EP mod, see if it still crashes.

if it still does, please (a) upload your crash.dmp somewhere for me to download, and (b) let me know the creation date and file size of your squirrel.osm