T2X Pre-Patched & Installed

baeuchlein on 26/3/2024 at 05:42

It's not easy to debug this, apparently. I find it confusing as hell, with all these versions and DMLs floating around.

The problem with the gem objective (https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144804&p=2513759&viewfull=1#post2513759) reported here by marbleman is caused by another part of the DML for that mission (miss29, "The Cure") not working correctly. More on that on Shadowbox.

The sausages in miss27, "Of Ill Repute", are correct in the second T2X version made by Ricebug even if the Enhancement Pack 2 ("EP2") is installed. But this particular setup is the only one that makes the sausages look really weird without the fix - in every other case I encountered so far the most one can see is a tiny little spot on ine tip of the sausage parts being coloured green instead of red. The price for correcting this is very high - the sausage model as well as probably a texture (tomato2.gif, I assume?) have to be put into the mission archive, and the DML needs to address the problem. And once someone plays a version without the ressources but with the DML (which might one day appear in T2FMDML), there is nothing wrong in-game - but error messages about the missing sausage model appear in the logs.

Perhaps it would be easier to tell people to disable their texture/resource packs if they see weird things in missions (and if that doesn't help, they can always stop smoking weird mushrooms or inhaling Burrick's breath, and everything should be fine soon).

The old bug list voodoo found is the one marbleman made years ago, and published on Shadowbox in the old T2X thread. The texture problem on the armoury tower most likely cannot be solved with a DML. By the way, in all those years, nobody recognized that a second one of these towers had the same problem. Apparently, it's as hard to see as it it hard to fix with a DML.

The miss*.mis files from Ricebug's T2X builds, Necrobob's T2XNecro, and Gecko's/bentraxx' T2XHD version are all identical, with one exception - miss27.mis ("Ill Repute") of the HD version is different from the other two. The ancient miss*.mis files from the OldDark version all differ from the Ricebuggish ones. Looks like the newer versions all stem from Ricebug's relighting work. This should ease making DMLs that work with the newer T2X versions, except for T2XHD's "Ill Repute" and the whole OldDark version.

Both of Ricebug's versions contain some files that might cause problems. One is the strange small EP.CRF, others are .cfg files from the Thief 2 game. A T2X.exe also floats around in at least one of the Ricebug versions.

The .cfg's make it impossible to use the first version of Ricebug's T2X with a german version of Thief 2 (and probably with other non-english ones as well), as the Darkinst.cfg file included switches language to English, and this makes the menu texts disappear. This first version of Ricebug's T2X definitely needs a clean up (which cannot be done with any DML). I did not check the second version much so far.

I think we should first make sure there's a set of DMLs that do at least work with the second Ricebug version, T2XNecro, and T2XHD. Ideally, we would also verify there's not all hell breaking loose with an OldDark T2X (as a FM archive), or we might one day see people with pitchforks, tar and feathers advancing on our homes.

Once that is accomplished, we can think about versions with changed resources, be it just translations, or be it the perfect sausage for Madame Volari's. However, the more we go into the second direction, the more likely it is that someone of the original T2X team objects. And I would not take that lightly.

marbleman on 26/3/2024 at 07:02

I don't know why DMLs did not work correctly for me. All I did was replace the old ones with the newer versions. I don't use FMDML.

As for sausages, given how much custom content the team made, if they wanted to make a sausage model, they would have. I think it was more of a creative choice to resize an apple. You can see many such creative ideas in the 20th anniversary contests where trays are being used as mirrors on walls and stuff like that. Would you absolutely replace them with "proper" mirrors if you were fixing them?

voodoo47 on 26/3/2024 at 12:03

if they were causing issues in a modern T2 ecosystem, absolutely yes. also the only sane reason for the sausages to be apples is time constraints/unwillingness to fix properly, "ehh, ought to do the job", pinning this as a creative choice is.. yeah, no. don't succumb to the notion the original devs are some godlike entities that never made a mistake, were not tired/fed up with things sometimes, and didn't use duct tape solutions. I have seen this many times - you look at a setup, and realize the original mapper barely knew what was going on, or just didn't care (at that moment).

anyway, reading what baeuchlein posted, lets maybe focus on cleaning the resources up first, then follow up with the dmls. I'll download everything a bit later this week and see what I can find. maybe I'll do a diff on the missions, shouldn't be too difficult.

fixing the sausages for good is as easy as finding a proper texture, and editing the model to point to it. boom, zero compatibility issues no matter what your setup is. you can even dml this so that the original setup would be left intact (no real reason though, this is not going to be oldDark compatible anyway).

as far as the original dev objections are concerned, I didn't see anyone having a problem with the Ricebug build, with the Necro build, and the Gecko build, so I doubt they would have an issue with a build that is actually going to be closer to the original than those three.

voodoo47 on 29/3/2024 at 19:03

ok, here's what I've got;

Code:

miss18:
WARNING: model 'obj\oldcof1' contains faulty data (can cause crash)
miss19:
WARNING: Animated light 994 has a maximum brightness of 0!
WARNING: Animated light 1122 has a maximum brightness of 0!
miss20:
WARNING: failed to load script module "defense.osm"
miss27:
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 325
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 330
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1408
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1409
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 191
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 203
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1408
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1409
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1410
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 330
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 325
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 191
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 203
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1408
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1409
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1410
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 330
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 325
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1410
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 191
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 203
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 330
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1408
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 203
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 191
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1409
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1410
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 325
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 325
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 330
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1408
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1409
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 191
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 203
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1408
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1409
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1410
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 330
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 325
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 191
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 203
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1408
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1409
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1410
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 330
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 325
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1410
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 191
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 203
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 330
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1408
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 203
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 191
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1409
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1410
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 325
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 325
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 330
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1408
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1409
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 191
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 203
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1408
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1409
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1410
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 330
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 325
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 191
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 203
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1408
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1409
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1410
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 330
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 325
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1410
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 191
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 203
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 330
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1408
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 203
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 191
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1409
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratecy" for obj 1410
WARNING: failed to load model "wcratece" for obj 325
miss28:
WARNING: Animated light 2425 has a maximum brightness of 0!
miss29:
WARNING: Animated light 935 has a maximum brightness of 0!
miss30:
WARNING: Animated light 898 has a maximum brightness of 0!

miss27 diff gecko vs ricebug;
A Harlot3 (786): Bounce, No Collision Sound (only in ricebug)
A HarlotNude (1872): Bounce, No Collision Sound (only in gecko)

Property "Renderer: Mesh Attach"
A SheriffsNoKO (887): { 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 1498E478; 1498E47C}
A SheriffsNoKO (887): { 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 1126D108; 1126D10C}
Volari (1268): { 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 1498E4F8; 1498E4FC}
Volari (1268): { 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 1126D088; 1126D08C}
A BrothelGuard2 (1319): { 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 1498E3F8; 1498E3FC}
A BrothelGuard2 (1319): { 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 1126D188; 1126D18C}
A SheriffGuardFem (1428): { 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 1498E378; 1498E37C}
A SheriffGuardFem (1428): { 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0; 0.00, 0.00, 0.00; 1126D208; 1126D20C}

translation to human language:
-nothing worthwhile in the hdmod version of miss27, he replaced a harlot with a nude harlot (turns out Dark nudity is not something I need in my life), and tampered with mesh attach on a few models? either way, we can set the hdmod build aside, and that's good.
-one broken, and a few missing objects. one missing script module (defense.osm). few lights have a max brightness of 0. need to investigate all of these.
-all levels are stripped. if the unstripped versions exist, they should be acquired and included in the build.
-is darkhooks still needed? iirc, this was an oldDark thing. if not, remove the dll.
-custom NVscript build is loaded (nvt2x.osm). unless this is completely custom, this should be replaced by the standard build. need to ask NV.
-does anyone know what script.osm is? I think it's public scripts, there is an updated version in the T2Fix osm folder. should be updated if that's the case.
-not seeing any cut down EP.CRF anywhere. no rogue cfgs either.
-t2x.exe unnecessary, should be removed or stored in a backup folder.
-dynamic skies are indeed those I made ages ago. they look fitting so I would keep them, but ideally find out why City Sleeps and Cure have those awful gradients, and fix if possible.
-water is the old original hires water, wouldn't mind a better version so I'm open to suggestions. or maybe just remove it and let the user load a water mod if desired (this probably is the best solution).
-the first missions has the light orb active, even though it's unusable. very sure ND scripting allows to hide it, would be ideal here.

can you post the up to date dmls?

does anyone have an untampered oldDark build of T2x 1.1 at hand?

//edit;
yes, nvt2x.osm should be standard (and very outdated) NVscript. needs to be replaced with the latest build, and made to use the regular filename to prevent issues in the future (the way T2Fix loads extra scripts is probably preventing issues from happening even now, but no reason to not fix this properly).
yes, T2 water should be removed from the build, and the user should be left to manage any water mods via the modmanager. NecroAge and EP2 will need a tiny fingerprint update to allow this.
oldcof1.bin submitted to Olfred to check and fix.
the missing crate models don't seem to be a problem, the archetype has a model defined so the game just fallbacks to that. I guess the rogue prop could be removed from the concretes just for the sake of not being annoying in the editor.

the T2Fix FMdml package includes T2x fixes. whatever ends up the "final" dml package, should be included both in the standalone T2x zip, and FMdml as well. some people are running manual T2 installs (no T2Fix), while that may be unsupported, minimal effort to allow them to run the expansion should be made.

additional warning produced when the 0 brightness object is jumped to:
WARNING: Animated light 935 has a maximum brightness of 0!
WARNING: particle obj 936 uses a bitmap which has no frames, not supported by 'Scaled bitmap'
this sounds like something that should be fixed.

baeuchlein on 30/3/2024 at 06:52

Quote Posted by voodoo47

-nothing worthwhile in the hdmod version of miss27, he replaced a harlot with a nude harlot (turns out Dark nudity is not something I need in my life), and tampered with mesh attach on a few models? either way, we can set the hdmod build aside, and that's good.

By "set aside", do you mean we ignore T2XHD, or rather use every DML made for the other version(s) with T2XHD and hope (or verify) that nothing bad happens?

Quote Posted by voodoo47

-all levels are stripped. if the unstripped versions exist, they should be acquired and included in the build.

The unstripped missions published years ago by the T2X team can still be downloaded (https://t2x.agentstepp.com/) here as part of the "Making Of". I have never seen unstripped ones from Ricebug's build. Which ones do you want?

What do you mean by "included in the build"? Do you wish to have unstripped miss*.mis files in the archive instead of the stripped ones, or do you wish to place a copy of the unstripped ones in the campaign's zip file, but not use them in-game?

Quote Posted by voodoo47

-is darkhooks still needed? iirc, this was an oldDark thing. if not, remove the dll.

script.osm contains ASCII text referring to darkhooks.dlx. I'd be careful with removing that stuff.

Quote Posted by voodoo47

-custom NVscript build is loaded (nvt2x.osm). unless this is completely custom, this should be replaced by the standard build. need to ask NV.

nvt2x.osm contains ASCII text referring to "T2X" (e.g., "NVT2XReSelect") which nvscript.osm v1.3.0 does not. Looks custom to me.

Quote Posted by voodoo47

-does anyone know what script.osm is? I think it's public scripts, there is an updated version in the T2Fix osm folder. should be updated if that's the case.

From the file size, it rather looks like a custom version of the ancient predecessor to today's public scripts, which was called "Gaylesaver's custom scripts" or "Gaylesaver's public scipts" in the distant past. The script.osm from these old scripts is about 176 kB in size, the one from T2X is about 172 kB. Current public scripts have a script.osm of about 550 kB.

Also, there are again ASCII strings in T2X's version of script.osm, such as "T2X_M7_12_AttackReact", also indicating that this might be a custom version.

Quote Posted by voodoo47

-not seeing any cut down EP.CRF anywhere. no rogue cfgs either.

Correct. These were only present in the first version published by Ricebug.

Quote Posted by voodoo47

-dynamic skies are indeed those I made ages ago. they look fitting so I would keep them

Maybe we can put the skies part of the DMLs into the DMLs shipped with the campaign zip file, while leaving them out of the DMLs which are to be shipped with a future T2FMDML version. A version of T2X v1.1 that is just made by making a (cleaned up) zip file from the original T2X v1.1 build could then be provided, giving anyone who wishes to experience the missions like they were about 20 years ago the possibility to do just that.

Quote Posted by voodoo47

-water is the old original hires water, wouldn't mind a better version so I'm open to suggestions. or maybe just remove it and let the user load a water mod if desired (this probably is the best solution).

Maybe, but since Ricebug made his version with that specific water mod, we would then create yet another version. What about telling the user how to remove or disable the water mod in Ricebug's T2X?

Quote Posted by voodoo47

-the first missions has the light orb active, even though it's unusable. very sure ND scripting allows to hide it, would be ideal here.

Is it not of some use once the smugglers chase Zaya? And is it somehow a problem keeping the orb activated? Once again, I'd rather vote for keeping our fingers off from things that work and don't give us a problem.

Quote Posted by voodoo47

can you post the up to date dmls?

Currently problematic. There are some DMLs supposed to be shipped with the next T2FMDML, and others still being worked on by Glypher. Which ones should be called "up to date"? Maybe we better wait one or two weeks until it becomes (hopefully) clearer what DML will be published when.

Quote Posted by voodoo47

does anyone have an untampered oldDark build of T2x 1.1 at hand?

The best I have is a version of T2X v1.1 that can be used like a FM. It was obtained from a T2X v1.1 standard installation by zipping up everything that was really needed from that installation, e.g., the miss*.mis files, resources etc., but not .exe or .cfg files. My version should be playable even with OldDark. However, it is already fitted with a partial translation to German alongside the English original, and some of the sound files are converted to Ogg Vorbis to make the zip file size smaller.

I do not have an installation of T2X alongside a Thief 2 OldDark (=v1.18) version. I also do not have a FM-style T2X package that is English-only and in the original (OldDark) form.

What would you like to have exactly anyway?

Quote Posted by voodoo47

oldcof1.bin submitted to Olfred to check and fix.

Who or what is "Olfred"?

voodoo47 on 30/3/2024 at 09:03

-yes, we ignore the hdmod version completely for now. once the base build is good to go, we can think about whether we want to dip our fingers in that soup. personally, I would just link the finished base build to gecko and let him do whatever he wants.
-ok, will grab the unstripped missions, relight to 32bit and we will use that. lets make the people who will be porting this to NewNewDark 20 years later not cry.
-ok, scripts should be left alone then.
-checked the original skies, and they are.. tolerable. I still don't see any reason why anyone would ever want to look at them if a proper hires version is available so I would probably leave them in, but I think they could be taken out and included in the T2 Skies mod which is installed by T2Fix. so whoever is running a T2Fixed install would have full and easy control over this. the downside is that everybody else would have a very hard time, essentially having to rip the mod out of T2Fix and merge the dmls. I'll check and see whether this is doable, and then a decision can be made. also yes, the skies part of the dmls would not be included in T2FMDML if that were not obvious.
-the water in the Ricebug build is the old hires water I stuck into that old fixup pack (because nothing else was available back then). here I have zero doubt - out with it, and let the user manage water mods via the mod manager. from a technical standpoint, including mods in fan missions should be avoided unless there is no other way.
-I was really confused by the nonworking orb (afaik, it's completely useless for the entirety of the first mission) when I was playing the campaign for the first time, and iirc, I wasn't the only one. if it's something that can be put into a dml (if miss18 t2x then orb_hide=1) then I wouldn't hesitate one second. gameplay-wise, the main protagonist has no idea she would end up being a thief at that point, so having the orb available makes zero sense.
-if multiple people are working on the dmls then they should start to share/sync their work.

ok, downloaded T2x1.1 full, will install it, move redundant files to a backup folder, pop the unstripped missions in, relight, include the gnartsch's patched crfs and that's the start of the base build right there. can't get any cleaner than that. once the dmls are available, we'll put that on top, then decide what to do with the skies and that's pretty much it. well, there is the question of language packs, almost sure those will either have to be integrated into the build or made available as separate zips that will have to be manually extracted to the T2x folder (but I don't see that as a big deal, people who use language packs should not have any problems with that). link to some language pack, perhaps?

Olfred is the entity that makes Dark objects not broken. if you are using a mod or pack made in the last decade that has objects, then there is a 97.34 percent probability it includes some objects he fixed.

//confirming, there is no technical issue that would prevent T2x skies from being moved to the T2Fix T2 Skies mod. now the question becomes, is this desirable? on one hand, keeping the base build as clean as possible is good from a technical point of view. on the other hand, we would be inconveniencing the T2Fix user slightly (need to enable in the mod manager), and a non-T2Fix user much more than slightly (need to surgically extract the mod from T2Fix and then load it manually). I'd imagine the give me vanilla skies or give me death user pool is not extremely large.

//NecroAge needed a small fingerprint update to work properly with T2x, new build is up. EP2 will need the same tweak - submitted. both packs work surprisingly well with T2x. created a clean T2x install, did a diff with the Ricebug build, and there is no other junk files or anything. water and skies removed, relit unstripped maps into 32bit and the base build now exists on my hdd. as soon as I have a solution for the sausage situation, I'll make it available.

baeuchlein on 31/3/2024 at 02:52

Concerning the sausage thing: What about including the old sausage model as well as the tomato2.gif texture into your version and putting also a DML into it which changes the model for the sausages? Technically, you've made a new build anyway (although it should not be very different from Ricebug's), so why not include everything needed for the sausage fix with it, as well as everything needed for the skies change? (To be honest, I do not completely understand what exactly was the problem that required the skes moved from the T2X build into the T2Fix package.)

Concerning language packs: The spanish, italian and russian versions were .exe files that would change an existing english version of T2X into a foreign language one. AFAIK, there never was any kind of package that could be put into T2X by unpacking a zip file. I have unpacked the spanish and italian stuff once, so it would be rather easy to integrate them into a FM archive.

Russian is a bit more different, though, as the .rar file available on Darkfate.org some time ago seems to contain an .exe file with a virus inside. One could execute that .exe on a computer, reboot the machine with an OS started from an external device, and transfer the non-executable .str files resulting from that to another machine, then wipe the hard disk of the one where the .exe was executed. Takes some time but should not be too difficult. Then, these files could also be integrated into an FM archive.

The polish version seems to be available in a form that can be applied to a T2X version somehow, and in the form of a T2XHD-PL.7z archive that is ready to be used with any modern FM loader. Requires some labour to transfer, but should be doable.

The german version can also be extracted from a T2XHD version that has english and german files inside. If there's no such thing available on the net anymore, my backup/data storage hard discs still have it.

The state of the french translation, which was once mentioned on one of the french forums, is not clear to me.

The main problem could be to be polite and contact & ask all the relevant people if they would give their permission for what they created to be included. And then there would be some upgrade to be done - all versions I know do not use the subtitles function of NewDark, but that would be very helpful. Also, russian and polish versions need different text fonts which have to be included. (Is no rocket science, though.)

A time-consuming labour, but... if it takes some time, updated versions could be published near the 20th anniversary of the T2X original publication. That would be in May of 2025, if I'm not mistaken.

voodoo47 on 31/3/2024 at 09:06

if that's the case, then we probably should leave the language packs as-it.

yes, my original (and by extension, Ricebug's) build was using that as a duct-tape solution. posted a sausage object request in the Editor's Guild, if nobody made a proper sausage model in the last 10 years, then I already have a backup solution that will do fine (literally a vanilla cucumber reskinned as sausage. took 15 minutes to make, and looks 300% better than an stretched apple).

voodoo47 on 31/3/2024 at 14:11

ok, the base build is up, see !ND_changelog.txt; (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1e5RFOmCd6887_zz6rd1jivwMNAUZqo3F)

so, this plus the finished dmls should be the final product.

also, miss 27 dml will need an update:

Code:

//sausage fix
+ObjProp 392 "ModelName" = "sausage"
+ObjProp 392 "Scale" = 0.9, 0.9, 0.9
+ObjProp 835 "ModelName" = "sausage"
+ObjProp 835 "Scale" = 0.9, 0.9, 0.9
+ObjProp 1033 "ModelName" = "sausage"
+ObjProp 1033 "Scale" = 0.9, 0.9, 0.9
+ObjProp 1789 "ModelName" = "sausage"
+ObjProp 1789 "Scale" = 0.8, 0.8, 0.8
+ObjProp 1788 "ModelName" = "sausage"
+ObjProp 1788 "Scale" = 0.8, 0.8, 0.8
+ObjProp 1787 "ModelName" = "sausage"
+ObjProp 1787 "Scale" = 0.8, 0.8, 0.8
+ObjProp 1786 "ModelName" = "sausage"
+ObjProp 1786 "Scale" = 0.8, 0.8, 0.8
+ObjProp 1774 "ModelName" = "sausage"
+ObjProp 1774 "Scale" = 0.8, 0.8, 0.8
//link missing a flag
Link 1239 392 "CreatureAttachment" 03910000
{
"Rot Mode" "Always Use Joint Rotation"
}

and feast thine eyes, my 15 minute effort of close to zero texturing and object editing skills:

Inline Image:

https://i.imgur.com/WUpeLb6.png

no more stretched apples, just a rather nasty looking burrick sausage. wonder how that would taste - the least desirable parts of a hairy belchy lizard thing ground to a coarse paste, put into an intestine and then boiled/smoked, mmm yum yum yum.

voodoo47 on 1/4/2024 at 21:53

..yes, whatever NVT2X.osm is, it's not NVscript, at ALL. so T2x was completed without it - have to admit that's impressive. that said, some of the light setups, yeeah, are much less so - I now remember why I left them alone when I made that first fixup pack. either way, all resolved now.

still waiting for a few fixed objects so no rush, but how are the up to date dmls coming along? I actually have a few things I need to submit myself. //now using (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jC3rFZbt7xh6oG7XtVkQzqH1u0bTi2oqjGCISace3jw/edit#gid=1740963596) the old tracker to log them.

also, a very controversial suggestion - lets maybe dml change the model and get the expansion rid of this embarrassment (and the other few found around the level);

Inline Image:

https://i.imgur.com/zAaRokp.png

if nothing else, it's making T2x not safe for work, and that probably isn't a good thing. //and the texturing inside that window frame is rubbish. fixed.

//oh, before I forget again - the timing of the first conversation in the first level still isn't great, Zaya starts to talk the exact moment Kedar starts his motions, making it look like it's him speaking for a few seconds. matching the start of his motions with the start of his speech would look much better, imho.

[video=youtube;aLVabo5QMUw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLVabo5QMUw[/video]

surely this can be timed better. also what's up with that half spin before everything starts?