bikerdude on 11/12/2008 at 20:31
Quote Posted by Tos
If my suspicions about bikerdude's mission files are correct, there may not be much point in including a gamesys anyways, though. We'll have to see.n Assuming I did decide to include it, I'd create a real installer for T2 MP instead of the .zip file and provide it as an option during installation.
I dont beleive my .mis file should be any different in my Sold Out version than any other version of T2...? btu I guess we would have to do a file check to know for sure.
Dexprod on 12/12/2008 at 04:20
Wow I'm starting late in all this, however I've read all the posts and had to get a towel for all the drool. I've wanted to play Thief 2 multiplayer the day I started messing around with the editer, now it sounds like I can do this.
However I'm unsure how to go about this, I have one computer with the game set up with dromed, the 1.18 patch, dromed deluxe, and dark loader, and maybe some other custom stuff hidden around in the files.
Anyways I'm think I'll just install on two other computers and leave the one for single player use. I see some people have talked about wide-screen stuff, and I'm unsure what I'm needing for this, as I have a wide screen with my new computer that runs 1680 by 1050. My sister's computer shouldn't have any problems with Thief 2 since she doesn't have a wide-screen and is much like the computer I'll keep for single-player.
What will I need to get us started playing this game multiplayer besides this new .exe file? I can't wait. And what is this talk about something else about ddfix? I'd like to run this game with as little needed stuff as possable.
I'm also reading the readme file as of right now.
Anyone who can point me the right way for everything I need to get this going for the both of us would be great. Also if it helps I too have the Thief 2 in the "trapezoidal box"
demagogue on 12/12/2008 at 05:46
Quote Posted by Dexprod
Anyways I'm think I'll just install on two other computers and leave the one for single player use.
What will I need to get us started playing this game multiplayer besides this new .exe file?
It is much easier than I think you think it is.
First of all, there's a readme in the multiplayer .zip folder that explains everything. So just follow directions.
If I were to embellish on it, I'd say the first thing you should do is keep a backup copy of both the single player and multiplayer .exe's. Label the original Thief2_Singplayer.exe; label the other Thief2_multiplayer.exe (or whatever your preference), after you've dropped the MP's .zip folder's contents into your Thief 2 folder.
Then all you have to do is rename Thief2MP.exe to Thief2.exe to run multiplayer. (The other multiplayer files are in the .zip file.)
And then just rename Thief2SP.exe back to Thief2.exe to run singleplayer (and changing multiplayer back to Thief2MP.exe; you don't even have to worry about the other MP files and can just leave them).
Darkloader never even notices, as long as there's a file called Thief2.exe, and works exactly like it always does. So it's soo easy to switch back and forth at a moment's notice. It's probably also a good idea to keep a permanent backup copy of both .exe's in a backup folder, so you don't risk an accidental overwrite. But there's no reason why you can't have all your computers ready to run single and multiplayer whenever you like.
Edit: A message to techy people on that note, though: a nice update to Darkloader would be separate buttons to run Single or Multiplayer. Then you can keep
both .exe's in your Thief2 folder and Darkloader would simply run Thief2MP.exe when prompted, and normal Thief2.exe otherwise. Then no mess with manually changing file names or overwriting anything. Darkloader would take care of it all.
sNeaksieGarrett on 12/12/2008 at 08:10
Yeah, about darkloader.. that would be cool, but the problem is that certain stuff needs the exe to be called thief2.exe - like ddfix looks for thief2.exe, right?
Alright, I've got a report. So, I have been playing with DexterUndefine and below outlines all the stuff I came across (despite the following negative stuff, the game was actually rather fun, especially when we were just messing around in the map like throwing snowballs at each other >:P) :
* First off, we had a lot of problems just connecting. Rather weird stuff. First I tried hosting, and then he tried hosting and then I tried hosting.. we kind of alternated a bit. I usually hosted though. Anyways, I tried hosting with port 5198 and he could never connect. There was one time though where we were able to connect, but it never worked again.:erg: We tried with and without ddfix on both of our systems. I am not sure whether ddfix is causing a problem or not. So, I thought I would try another port. Low and behold it worked! I use port 7777 (ut2004 port) and he was able to connect the first time! \o/ However, there were times where it just did not work, with him reporting that it would just say "connection timed out." I also noticed something strange in the server browser. If you use port 5198 and host a server, every single time i would look at the server on the browser it would have the ping as ?? and the players as ???/??? Seems to me like it was the server not connecting properly to the "global server." Anyway, now when I use port 7777
everytime the players and ping
work. So, if port 5198 is giving you problems, try port 7777. I think it also has to do with the firewall and portforwarding. I have 7777 portforwarded on the modem/router thing, so maybe that is why it works. Though I've hosted games before I think, and all I had to do to make things work is to allow it by my software firewall (zonealarm) and lower security to medium. If I don't, it secures it so well that it is impossible to use it for servers.....
Summary: had sporadic connecting, seemed at first that the second connect never worked, and so I would have to reboot server. Though one time it worked, so I don't know if there is any sort of pattern. Port 5198 did not work properly. Port 7777 works.
* Gameplay issues: I noticed the issues with picking up/dropping items. Sometimes the client (me being the host and dexter as client) would pick up something like a snowball and it would glitch when it was dropped or something so that when I tried to frob it, nothing happened. We played a thief's holiday 2004 by yandros, and when he dropped the matches, they would float in mid-air.:laff: As host, I noticed that the victrola records would suddenly appear in my inventory when trying to frob the victrola. In order to remove a record from the victrola, I had to pick a record from my inventory and then frob the victrola. Hard to explain it all, but it was really weird. This may just be a fan mission specific bug but I don;t know if it happens with other stuff...
Summary: Issues with items, as to be expected. More or less just observations, I know it is "known issue"
* Console issues: the command "/net_stats" refuses to do anything when i type it in. I cannot hit enter on my keyboard to complete a chat in the console, I have to hit the word send. (or maybe that is intentional?)
* errorlog.txt: I noticed that I have some message about thief causing an access violation. I don't know if this information would be of any use to you Tos, but I can send you the contents of the text if you want.
I think that is everything. We had some fun though, don't get me wrong.:thumb: I took some screenshots of dexter in
A Thief's Holiday 2004:(
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Inline Image:
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8610/screenshot8td2.th.jpgThe avatar looks pretty funny when you keep pressing lean in both directions, and then we discovered that if you hold down lean and then walk, it looks like you are sort of sliding across the ground:laff: I took some shots of that, as you can see.
I really like the server browser, it is quite convenient.
demagogue on 12/12/2008 at 08:22
Quote Posted by sNeaksieGarrett
Yeah, about darkloader.. that would be cool, but the problem is that certain stuff needs the exe to be called thief2.exe - like ddfix looks for thief2.exe, right?
Sorry, I meant that Darkloader would be using both Thief2.exe's in the main folder only as needed. Well, I confused myself at first, but I realized the same thing you did...
They're both named Thief2.exe when used. But one or the other either (1) gets plopped into the main folder as needed (and in the meantime the other is in a subfolder so there isn't a conflict, and they each have their own respective subfolder maybe), or (2) gets renamed to Thief2.exe and the other renamed to something alternative/unique in the meantime. Between those two I'd think (1) works better. And of course you'd have both backed-up as a failsafe.
Edit: Or I guess it all comes together: they're each permanently in their own subfolder (or zip file). And when called one simply overwrites (via copy/paste, or unzip) whatever was there before; but the other still has its original in its subfolder/zip ready to re-overwrite (via its own copy/paste, or unzip) again whenever it's called. And the originals are never altered. Just copies overwriting copies.
sNeaksieGarrett on 12/12/2008 at 08:50
Ah, that makes sense. That is a good suggestion there. I like (1)
Tos on 12/12/2008 at 08:51
Glad it worked out for you.
As far as the connection issues go, it sounds to me like the host hadn't forwarded port 5198. The ping and number of players will be displayed as question marks in the browser until your computer contacts the host of that server and retrieves the info from them. If they remain question marks, your client isn't getting a response from the host of that game and it's not too likely that you'll be able to join.
Quote Posted by sNeaksieGarrett
We played a thief's holiday 2004 by yandros, and when he dropped the matches, they would float in mid-air.
There's definitely going to be a few (or more than a few) problems like that with FMs. I'll download that FM once I have the time and see if I can figure out what's going on, though. Thanks.
Quote Posted by sNeaksieGarrett
* Console issues: the command "/net_stats" refuses to do anything when i type it in. I cannot hit enter on my keyboard to complete a chat in the console, I have to hit the word send. (or maybe that is intentional?)
Were you hosting the game? Net stats will only display the queue peak if you're hosting -- if you're a client, it will display your ping as well as some other information.
No, you should be able to use the enter key in the console. Odd that it's not working. You should also be able to press the up and down keys to cycle through previously entered commands -- is that broken as well?
Quote Posted by sNeaksieGarrett
errorlog.txt: I noticed that I have some message about thief causing an access violation. I don't know if this information would be of any use to you Tos, but I can send you the contents of the text if you want.
Yes, that would be very helpful. Actually, at this point I'd like to ask anyone who has crashed while playing multiplayer to post their errorlog.txt file somewhere or send it to me. I'm planning to set up a page to submit the errorlogs on the site once it's done, but that may be a few weeks off.
sNeaksieGarrett on 12/12/2008 at 09:26
Hmm. So it sounds like it IS a portforwarding issue.
I can't recall whether I was hosting or not, but it didn't matter. Whenever I type in net_stats, it never does anything. But it just occured to me how stupid I sound right now.:tsktsk: I assume this is actually for
in-game? I've tried typing it outside of game, not by alt tabbing and typing it in. I should try that and I'll let you know if it works. I recall once as host playing bafford's, that some strange purple text appeared in the top right corner. That must have been from me typing in net_stats, right?
Quote Posted by Tos
No, you should be able to use the enter key in the console. Odd that it's not working. You should also be able to press the up and down keys to cycle through previously entered commands -- is that broken as well?
Hmm, interesting... I was just testing the enter key, and I noticed that windows makes a sound like the window is out of focus, but if I press enter like 2 or 3 times it does work. Does not work the first enter key press though.:weird: The arrow keys appears to work fine.
Okay, I'll send you my errorlog.txt. I have a hunch though that it is nothing that important, as thief 2 mainly crashes because of two reasons: 1.) I click exit on the console 2.) I force thief to quit.. Actually, there have been a few times thief 2 crashes....
Thor on 12/12/2008 at 13:04
I and my new contact have been trying to make thief mp work. We have the same versions and everything, but we both have the goddamn routers. We tried port forewarding with both 7777 and 5198 ports, but none really worked. I partly read the latest discussion but didn't understand much. Now if anyone has a simple way to port foreward in-out tcp/udp somehow avoid it, i would be greatly thankful.
A screenshot would be gold.
P.S. We also tried hamachi, but it wouldn't want to connect us properly. We can chat in it, but pinging times out.
bikerdude on 12/12/2008 at 13:21
Quote Posted by Thor02
Now if anyone has a simple way to port foreward in-out tcp/udp somehow avoid it, i would be greatly thankful.
A screenshot would be gold.
there isnt because everyones setup is different, if you have a router the port forwarding has to be done in that and also the port needs to be opened in windows firewall (or zone alarm and or similar)
