bikerdude on 7/12/2008 at 22:02

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Evening

Dont know if this has been mentioned, but once connected either player cant see the other.. both are in the game as we can see/hear when they frob anything in the game world.

both of us were running build 187

biker

Tos on 7/12/2008 at 22:42

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For everyone that's encountering problems: do you have the latest version of build 187? It was updated twice about two days ago.



Very strange. The names in the chat menu are actually working just fine for me now, even before the game has started. Does this happen all the time for you?



Hmm, that's two people now. Can you tell me a little more about it? Are you unable to see each other every time you try to play a game, or is it just occasional? What mission are you playing on? If it's a fan mission, you should try one of the original missions briefly just to see if it works properly there.

If that doesn't help, try playing with the older build 184 linked in the first post of this thread. If that one works, it may be a new bug that was introduced in 187.

davidsung on 8/12/2008 at 13:54

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I can confirm it, that happen all the time to me.


Very odd, sometimes as client it works fine, but as host it seems not to work. Or the other way around? :erm: e.g. in Life of the Party I as host were unable to restore hitpoints with food.

Other question: Why clients can't use items like health potion or mines? I can confirm, that this never work (sometimes it seems to work, but than the items are infinite). Can you insert, that invisible potion makes the player for other invisible?

Edit: btw, a very odd bug. A client killed an AI (FM: The Art of Thievery):
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Edit2: Can it be that clients can't hear the idle-voices and steps from the AIs?

Tos on 8/12/2008 at 21:54

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I'll add some logging to the next build that should help me track down the names problem. I can't get it to happen here, so I'm not sure what's causing it.



Strange, I actually tested on Life of the Party in a two player game and the piece of cheese near the start of the mission restored the host's health properly. I'll look into it regardless.



It's been my experience that health potions always work, but some of the throwable inventory items (mines, flash bombs) will occasionally either not work at all for some players, or will appear to have infinite uses (the number remaining won't go down in that player's inventory, but it will actually disappear from your inventory anyways when you're out of them).

I will most likely have to change how the game handles the player inventory entirely at some point. I don't think that the existing code in Thief was designed with multiplayer in mind, and it's not too similar to System Shock 2's either (which most of the net code was copied over from).



Not sure what happened with that AI. Did anyone try and pick up the body?

Yes, there are some problems with the guard voices. I think this was supposed to be in the known issues list, but looking over it now I don't see it. If the host gets too far away from a guard the other players will not be able to hear them talking (unless they attack another player -- AI creatures will transfer ownership of themselves to whomever they're currently attacking, and then you will be able to hear them just fine). This is obviously more of a problem on large missions like Art of Thievery.

Footsteps should always play though. If you weren't hearing them you may have been experiencing the sound corruption issue I mentioned in the readme. Try using the /sfx_reset command if that happens again.



That's strange, I didn't make any changes in build 187 that should have affected connection.

Could you have the client select Receives and Echo Console from the debug menu, and try again? This will display all of the packets that are being received as chat text in game, and the client should be receiving a number of heartbeats. If they're not, something is definitely wrong.

Also, check the console and ThiefMP.log in your Thief 2 folder to see if any errors have been reported.

5tephe on 9/12/2008 at 03:07

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Alright: So the news that someone has managed to fix both:
a) The Spawn point issue, and
b) The Objective issue, creating 'Capture the Horn'

INSTANTLY suggests a game mode that is pure win.

Create 2 or three spawn points in the upper level of the Bonehoard (The top of the rope into the first pit, say, and the first abandoned campsite - maybe also the Octagonal Font room) and play in "You can damage your fellow players" mode. Race to the finish.

Players would have to sneak past each other, avoid entanglements with the local denizens, etc....

Perhaps realising that they were too far behind, one player would divert and head straight for the sneaky exit at the top of the tombs, and AMBUSH their fellow player, snatching the Horn from them there.

Who IS the ultimate thief?


(I think it would bring back a lot of the traditional challenge to the game, for us seasoned players who can waltz through the levels with our eyes shut. How tense would it be knowing that there was someone out there who was looking for you, who you couldn't see if they were hiding as well as you can? When will you chose to break your cover and slip through? If you do see an opponent, do you chase after them with your sword, or sneak along behind them, and keep them in your sights, until they are climbing a rope? Or wait till they are sneaking past a bunch of burricks and then drop in a noisemaker on them?

All fantastic challenges.)

What are other levels where this would be a winner?