T2 Mission : "Les Paolis" updated to V. 1.5 (updated in 13-04-2025) - by Cardia
Beltzer on 30/6/2019 at 09:38
Thanks for this campaign Pedro :) I'm almost three hours in the first mission and starting to get annoyed :)
I miss 7000 loot. Can't believe it, where the heck is the rest? I found a door with bars behind it, and i can see some goodies inside. How to get in there?
Also, i have not found anything that could help the two persons. Some hints would be appreciated.
radogoal on 30/6/2019 at 10:01
have the same problems.
how can i helpf the two servanst and where can i find them and i miss also about 7000 loot .
now i'm in the restaurant and found the diary, but how can i get to the ambassador building
Cardia on 30/6/2019 at 10:34
Beltzer and Radogoal, about the servants:
For the maid: check the room above the Le bonneHomme taver, the diary is in plain sight above the bedtable
For Ahmed : in the obelisque place, check the room in the tudor house top floor, below the bed
Beltzer for the loot in that jewel store : if you look closely at the oposite wall you´ll notice a red button strong spoiler : shoot a arrow in the red button
Anyway a new version of this mission will come soon with lower loot goal requirements.
Beltzer on 30/6/2019 at 12:57
Thanks. All finished, just 3700 left. But i'll give up now. What a disappointment, i could not steel all the loot in that store :(
Cardia on 30/6/2019 at 14:11
Quote Posted by Beltzer
Thanks. All finished, just 3700 left. But i'll give up now. What a disappointment,
i could not steel all the loot in that store :(
You can always wait and try the new version of this mission that will come soon with lower loot goal requirements.
Marbrien on 30/6/2019 at 14:27
Is that lower loot requirements in both missions?
Also, I find the voice overs in the briefing videos for missions 1 and 2 way too quiet. Maybe you can fix that too.
radogoal on 30/6/2019 at 15:36
where can i find teh taverne maison au delerin?
Supremcee on 30/6/2019 at 15:36
Quote Posted by Psych0sis
Honestly... This is unfortunately a pretty big letdown of a mission(s) I have ever played. I really wanted to play a new Thief 2 FM, but I am going to have to pass after getting a little bit into mission 2...
lets see
- Takes place in IRL France, everyone speaks french, so if you aren't a native French speaker you cannot tell certain alerts and whatnot because... well, you don't speak the language :p. I get thematically, this makes sense. But thief is a game where sounds from guards is pretty important, I want to know when I alerted someone, and I just can't tell if I did or not because I just can't understand if what they're saying is "who's there?!?" or just some idle talk.
- Loot goals are a bit extreme, 14k and 25k on expert seems like too much. Ultimately the gameplay suffered, I feel, because it was just: Lockpick door, steal a couple items, leave out the same way, look for next door to lockpick etc etc. It just feels like padded on time, kinda irked me after a bit.
- The custom loot objects which are used is neat in theory sometimes they're loot in one building but then not in the next, so consistency is pretty... well, inconsistent. Also I think these objects and others are why the filesize is so bloated despite being only 2 missions.
- Mission is pretty flat, the wide open streets are lit by pretty dull lighting and the shadows aren't as apparent as they should be, leaves me annoyed trying to find safe spots. And since the streets are so big and open, guards can see me from a mile away and it's just super annoying to deal with.
- I must say, I really don't get this "Deep House Music" stuff. It's kinda offputting in a couple of places you put it in IDK, just doesn't really feel like a "thief" type of soundtrack.
- The readables are alright I guess, it seems you've gotten better in the recent years. However, the one with the Priest and his, erm, "obsession" is probably the most offending of the bunch unfortunately. I get what you're going for and the actual subject matter is... fine, but who would write something as incriminating as this in a diary? And from a gameplay standpoint, why put in stuff like "Garrett feels disgusted by reading this" in brackets right after? If you have to tell the reader (the player in this case) how to feel after reading something i feel like it just comes off a little cheesy and would need work.
- Sound clipping in A LOT of places, ambient transitions are just non-existent and something will be playing and then just instantly stop and be silence when entering a building. That's fine I suppose, but when you leave the ambiance doesn't come back. Was this mission tested properly? This is one of the things you should try to iron out early so it doesn't put off players.
- FPS comes to a crawl at some spots due to the aforementioned long sightlines, tangled on with a bunch of objects being displayed on screen at once. I assume you know this, but with how the engine works, objects on screen causes it to break a little. This happened in FtM Life and other missions that do this with objects, like some of Christine's (Raven Creek being the most apparent).
Here's an example of the "Line of Sight" issue:
(https://i.imgur.com/8G9Obfg.png)
Also just want to touch on the skybox here. In a town as lit as this you would NOT be able to see as many stars in the sky as this one. Why not try using NewSky and create something more full of life? The things you can do with it are pretty awesome.I sign this! And considering one of the beta testers, it really seems like a beta version and not the final product. Don't get me wrong, as everyone here, I really appreciate every mission that is made and published, as the other authors, you put alot of time and effort into your missions and we are lucky that after 20 years there are still missions to be released, for free to play our favorite game with new and mostly great content. One thing I really liked are the french talking guards because it totally makes sense, but why is everyone else talking perfect english except garret? he has an accent and what he says, Garret never would talk like that or write diaries like that. And that's just an example of what I will criticize now. Great idea and intention, but not thought through until the end. Actually I didn't pay attention to the author of this mission until I started it and since I'm really bad with names. But after 10mins of playing I realized, to say it in Garrets words. "wait, I know who this guy is" and sadly I recognized it must be one of your missions because it was as buggy as some of your other missions. Framerate drops that even lead to crashes (and yes my machine can handle Thief with HD etc. etc....) sound issues and in general things that just feel wrong. I don't need to name the issues, psychosis already did and he already said what I thought but here's my biggest issue, since some of this things repeat and repeat in your missions. Do you think it's better to rush out as many missions as possible with less polish and thought or release fewer missions but excellent ones that people will remember for good? I'm sorry but you seem to have really great ideas and I'm sure you are able to put them into great final products, but it's sad that they still suffer from issues already mentioned a while ago. For example, i was amazed by the idea and looks of FTM Life, but after a while it killed the fun because of technical issues, game mechanics and a story that has a great premise but doesn't catch me so I want to finish. As I said, don't get me wrong, I really appreciate your work but I think you could do better if you would just give everything a bit more time and final thoughts. So I wanted to talk about the mission in our new episode we will record today, but actually we don't want to be harsh or unfair. So please go on with your FMs :) and I'm curious what you will come up with your next FM
and one thing, since you seem to reply to positve feedback, I think you could also reply to psych0sis feedback as well since he's not just complaining, he really gives you very detailled examples. Feedback should be appreciated if it's reasonable.
Cardia on 30/6/2019 at 16:00
Hi Supremcee, i understand your point of view, i tried many times to fix the sound problems but with no success, frame-rates work well for me in this campaign, however in "FTM life" i do experience some slight lags.
In any case i gave my best for this campaign, there are plenty of hours dedicated to this mission , 1 year and 2 months every single day between 2 and 3 hours. in the last 4 months between 3 and 4 hours a day. Regardless the difference between missions i did if there's one thing i have learned through out these years is that i can't please everyone , specially when i feel like i´m not working to get a salary and the need to attract alot of public as much as possible.
I create things with my own rules because i know i won't be loosing money with it :)
As for future missions, i will start working now on a team T1 campaign with Stinkykitty and Vegetables. But now that i'm starting a new job i won't be able do dedicate so much time to Dromed as before. Also i need to live more my life, i can't spend so much time in dromed like i always did all these years (except in 2014) . As for T2 missions i will do very small ones for the next years. My full time for Dromed is over...however a future campaing to give a continuation to FTM life is on my list.
Supremcee on 30/6/2019 at 16:25
As I said, I appreciate all authors work. I just wanted to say, that there are some issues that repeat with different missions from you. Those issues where pointed out by some people and you seem to repeat these issues. It's not about your rules or creativity, it's technical issues that can be fixed or at least improved. People don't criticize this to harm you, they want you to improve and help you that way :)
Anyways, wish you a good start with the new job and keep on creating missions
