T2 Mission : "Les Paolis" updated to V. 1.4 (updated in 15-05-2021) - by Cardia
Samantha1 on 17/10/2020 at 21:03
Yes, deep down Garrett is a pretty nice guy and would help any lost soul even if he doesn´t get anything for it. But that is only what WE THE FANS know. Towards people Garrett acts differently: cynical, unfriendly and sarcastic. And most of it he´s a thief, money is everything to him. There´s no way he´d do a task for someone and then not asking for the reward just because he has a kind heart deep down. Garrett would gladly take the money and then pat himself on the back for what great stuff he did today and for even getting lots of money out of it. I mean you are right, he is willing to aid people for moral reasons but if he gets money out of it - even better ;) that´s the kinda guy he is :D
As already said I didn´t have any speed potion anymore, I used them up already at that point. I´m a huge fan of speed potions and like to use them when I have one in my inventory, but when I tried to jump into that window for about an hour I regretted it that I didn´t keep one as a spare. That´s good to hear :)
Galaer on 17/10/2020 at 21:19
Quote Posted by Cardia
regarding the jump thing, let it be clear that it was never my intention to criticize others by trying to give a smart impression of me, on the contrary my intention was to say that the jump trick is no sorcery , its easy to master it
I disagree with you. I am quite experienced player and strafe jumping is very useful technique, but it's not a common knowledge. I leaned about it few years when watching some videos. And this was mind blowing. I never before thought that by holding run forward and strafe I can move faster or even jump further. But this strafe jumping is awkward. Instead of looking forward, you look a bit to the side. It definitely wasn't easy to learn technique. A good example would be mission 2 of yours "3 Distinct Adventures" campaign. There is one section that requires far strafe jumping and mantling (yes, there is speed potion, but it's super well hidden, I missed it when 1st time playing). While it wasn't extremely hard experience, it was definitely tough lesson. I died around 100 times.
Few years later I discovered that I can turn my head towards the ledge while midair. And it makes mantling after strafe jumping much easier. But it adds one more input to already complicated system. So again it wasn't easy to learn. But thanks to that and experience over the years, my 2nd time with strafe jumping section in "3 Distinct Adventures" FM was much easier. It was basically no problem for me. Hell, I could even beat the end of mission 1 without using speed potion.
And then there is this side strafe jump that you show in your video. This is the technique that I used the first time for Horns of Canzo. And it was only for ghosting, not for normal playthrough. This technique is never necessary in any Fan Mission. That's why this "super easy" solution is far from obvious. While technique isn't that hard when you know strafe jumping really well, it's definitely more tricky than strafe jumping forward.
In short players that never knew about strafe jumping, needs few months or years before they can say that this technique isn't any problem. Also the way this window is presented doesn't really show that intended solution would be side strafe jump to this window. Even in your video it felt that window is just too high for mantle to work and when you finally mantled it felt like you were really lucky.
As for speed potion, it's usually used to run somewhere fast or escape from somewhere, jump over long gap or even fight against very steep roof. Jump to helmet window didn't fell like any of these situations. That's why it didn't fell obvious. I wonder how many players actually figured it out on their own. While this solution is creative, I would actually like to have a readable about somebody who, for example, bought speed potion in order to get to this window. And next to this window would be speed potion. This would help a lot. Right now this objective feel bad and it should be some optional bonus objective or Easter Egg.
Cardia on 18/10/2020 at 08:04
Samantha and Galaer, what if i leave a crate not far from that helmet office? in a eventual mission update?
Galaer on 18/10/2020 at 08:30
Quote Posted by Cardia
Samantha and Galaer, what if i leave a
crate not far from that helmet office? in a eventual mission update?
I didn't play this mission for a while, so I don't know if one crate will be enough. This window is quite high.
Samantha1 on 18/10/2020 at 08:57
Quote Posted by Galaer
I didn't play this mission for a while, so I don't know if one crate will be enough. This window is quite high.
I agree with Galaer, one crate might not be enough since the street there is a ramp down. But If you add two crates it will work out :) You could also leave a speed potion on the window sill left to this window, so players will understand they can use the speed potion for this.
Cardia on 18/10/2020 at 17:42
Good suggestion Samantha and Galaer, two crates and one speed potion on a nearby window will be for the next update.
Samantha1 on 20/10/2020 at 16:21
Perfect:thumb:
Acolyte6 on 21/10/2020 at 09:42
Oh yeah, it's been awhile. Got stuck here way back.. Is there anything I need to do (in the game itself)? Or where do I find these crates for That window? Is there an update with more crates.? A rope arrow could've worked in the window frame... :confused:
Cardia on 21/10/2020 at 11:26
Quote Posted by Acolyte6
Oh yeah, it's been awhile. Got stuck here way back.. Is there anything I need to do (in the game itself)? Or where do I find these crates for That window? Is there an update with more crates.? A rope arrow could've worked in the window frame... :confused:
No, i haven't updated it yet, so no crates for the moment, although there are more speed potion around the map or you can try the other two methods mentioned in some previous posts.
Philflound on 7/11/2020 at 18:06
So far I'm about 2 hours into the mission. I have to say I was getting frustrated when I shoot a rope arrow, climb up, and have problems mantling into rooms or on a ledge. I always play on expert and I always knock everyone out as much as possible unless the objectives say otherwise. I do this so I can explore without worrying about guards, as I like to explore everything I can.
[spoiler] I found Atila's helmet. This was rather difficult as there was no wood to rope up to the window. I had to balance myself perfect on top of the window to move forward into the room. I like this when creators of missions make something very difficult, but not impossible to do. I did have to reload a good 10-12 times before I finally got inside. [/spoiler]
Anyway, I'm enjoying the mission and will post again either when I'm further in and want to give input or when I finish. Thanks, Cardia.