T2 FM: The Sword Of The Stones (12/22/22)

FKenFord on 31/12/2022 at 22:40

Quote Posted by Vortex85

Since i don't know which ones you have it would be tough to tell you where to go except for 1 which is likely no one finds because there is no hint and its very obscure (sorry!).

Here is the tip:

Look down from balcony on 5th floor or 3rd floor at the forest area near where you started and see if you can spot anything interesting on top of a rock surface out there.... once you see it, the trouble is getting there. So I'll give you the answer. Go to the wall of trees in the back there with the bug sounds, you will need rope arrow to get on top of them, look for a spot on top edge of those trees that looks like the texture is different from the rest (its using the woods texture instead vegetation texture) you will also see a kind of pointy jagged edge there as well where i had to dig into the tree with an air brush to make the surface.... here you can rope and mantle to get up there. (The other trees are vegetation texture which disable mantle so I had to make a special place to allow mantling to get up there.) Once you are on the trees you should be able to easily jump and mantle onto the rock with the secret.

Also for the Jewelry bonus:

All 4 pieces are physically being worn by the children, not lying around. Whether on head, hand, or wrist. :D But this is not one of the 15 secrets...

Finally, here are some secrets you may have missed for the last one?

-Look carefully at the center statue in the 3rd floor lobby area
-Check the west side of the castle and go around outside to the back until you find "benny was here."
-Did you find the secret in the sword room (small switch behind the table with the note about the stones on it?)

If you found THOSE I'm not sure which one you missed.

Thanks a bunch! I had missed the switch under the desk in the sword room (doh! shoulda found that one) and the non-obvious one above the trees near the start. And, obviously, my "searching" the bodies for jewelry was sub-optimal, as yet another quick glance at Karnas gave up his ring.

So 15/15 secrets, and *only* 160 short of full loot. But, man, many hours of roaming around looking for stuff.

Thanks again for the mission! Wonderful ray of light in the dark of winter here!

Galaer on 1/1/2023 at 00:20

Quote Posted by Vortex85

Also for the Jewelry bonus:

All 4 pieces are physically being worn by the children, not lying around. Whether on head, hand, or wrist. :D But this is not one of the 15 secrets...

That's weird, I found all kids and took their loot, but I didn't get this objective.

Vortex85 on 1/1/2023 at 01:11

Quote Posted by Galaer

That's weird, I found all kids and took their loot, but I didn't get this objective.

Very strange, the goal is only dependent on object being picked up and nothing else. The AI can be knocked out, dead on normal/hard, doesn't matter. Is it possible you grabbed one and reloaded a save forgetting to grab it again? If you can PM me your save file, I can double check for you.

BrokenArts on 1/1/2023 at 03:26

Quote Posted by Vortex85

I apologize for this... I did assume most fans on this game would need to have good hearing for a game like Thief which relies a lot on sound for gameplay... but I will admit for many the sound was not perfect at all for this section (maybe to do with sound drivers or something?). Another option would be to find some food or item you can repeatedly drop / pick up, to check the ground in front of you and make your way through visually that way, or go get some crates and stack them up on the side to bypass the puzzle altogether...! :cheeky:

That's alright! I got through it, I had my ambient turned down, so, I cranked it up, that helped. I just had to slow down and pay attention which way to go. I've got the sword now. I do have one question. I need the vault key. I've read about the the doll, dewdrop I'm to assume. I'll work on the code. How to use the doll? Is it inside dewdrop? Out right spoil me. Thanks.

Vortex85 on 1/1/2023 at 03:35

Quote Posted by BrokenArts

Go back to Sarnia's room in her basement and use it there on brazier.

BrokenArts on 1/1/2023 at 04:09

Quote Posted by Vortex85

Go back to Sarnia's room in her basement and use it there on brazier.

Very clever, thank you! :)

Galaer on 1/1/2023 at 09:47

Quote Posted by Vortex85

No, it's not possible. I double checked, because maybe auto search didn't work. But no, they have no loot. But wait, you say it's only on normal/hard and I play on expert, so this must be a reason why this objective doesn't trigger. Unless one of them has no loot and that's why this objective doesn't work.

Edit: I replayed this mission and found out what's wrong. You must pick loot when kids are still conscious, if they are KO-ed grabbing their loot doesn't trigger this objective.

BrokenArts on 1/1/2023 at 13:32

Finished on expert last night, 10449/12306, 7 out of 15 secrets. I found Benny's stash! He's been hanging around Garrett too long, he's being sneaksies.

Vortex85 on 1/1/2023 at 16:37

Quote Posted by Galaer

I'm not sure about that. The objective is triggered based on a link when loot is frobbed to switches with control device once all 4 loot are picked up then all 4 switches are turned on with require all trap and objective is met. There is no dependency on them being conscious in that coding. Maybe a bug happened on first playthrough with auto search or somethings else went wrong.

Also the bonus is available on all difficulties

Unless …. Auto search doesn’t always “frob” the loot… like if Ai is unconscious?

vfig on 1/1/2023 at 17:09

Quote Posted by Vortex85

The objective is triggered based on a link when loot is frobbed ... Maybe a bug happened on first playthrough with auto search

that will be your problem: auto-search does not frob the loot; it just transfers it from being contained by the AI to being contained by the player. since the loot object will get a Contained message when the player picks it up, whether by frobbing or by auto-search, your mission should be triggering off that. since youre already using NVScript, you probably just need to replace StdButton on the loot items with (https://www.thiefmissions.com/scripts/NVScript.html#NVTrigContained) NVTrigContained.