ticky on 11/2/2017 at 19:26
Quote Posted by Melan
My initial impressions of this mission were mostly negative. Increased vulnerability in the dusky setting, ledges you can easily slide off, frustrating falls that make it easy to alert nearby AI, linear design with your prospective routes forward blocked off, a counter-intuitive way to proceed (there is a way that seems logical but isn't, and a way that doesn't seem logical but is). Not a good introduction.
I was almost ready to put it away, but fortunately, I persevered and the mission got much better as it opened up. There is a lot of clever puzzle design in the central city area, and the mini-missions are just the right length/complexity. It also feels great traipsing around on the rooftops and finding new places to break into, or figuring out puzzle solutions using environmental cues. It is not always standard Thief gameplay, and the ledges are a bit convenient, but it is very entertaining. I loved the bank missions, the electric fence, and the little touches like the back garden and window-crashing a prostitute's room.
After the middle part, the problems start cropping up again, as the mage's house and the sewers are less interesting than the urbancrawl elements, but the mission remains decent and ends on a good note. There is also the mood, a lazy, late-afternoon-in-a-Spanish-city feel, which is nicely helped by the music. Just like the enormous spaces and dizzying heights, BCD's style reminds me of
Being Thief 2, although this is a better mission, where the scale is mostly right (it could be built a little tighter, but that's just me - NewDark certainly makes this style of building possible), and the objectives are less artificial. Less, but they still feel forced, and can result in a large amount of backtracking. I understand the reasoning, just don't agree with it.
All in all, this is slightly uneven, but the good parts can be really good.
Since authors make less fan missions, than in 2008 or 2007 for example, I really try to avoid being picky when it comes to writing opinion about a fan mission, so these lines were a bit unfriendly for me for the first time, but I also understand that even a high quality fan mission can't be everyone's cup of tea.
Nightwalker on 11/2/2017 at 19:56
I think I'm almost done after hours and hours of excellent game play! However, I thought I saw a reference to something magical to be found in the wizard's house that might help with the sewer full of rats. Does such a thing exist and if so, where please? I've searched all over his place and found nothing. I've done all the other things in there that I'm supposed to and have the doors open, ready to leave.
smithpd on 11/2/2017 at 21:18
Quote Posted by Nightwalker
I thought I saw a reference to
something magical to be found in the wizard's house that might help with the sewer full of rats. I am not aware of such a thing, and I have played it several times. I think the reference to magic was to
a necklace that transports you to Faramund's house.. The only things I know to deal with the rats are
ghost them, run like hell, or time the visits to the sewer (mostly before bridge activation), and take the one safe escape route.
Nightwalker on 11/2/2017 at 21:33
Thanks, Peter! I've been playing this over several days and I just had a vague recollection of reading something. Off to tackle them then. Yuck!
And...finished! What an outstanding mission to explore. I had so much fun. Thanks very much for all the time and effort you put into this, Nick.
john9818a on 11/2/2017 at 22:40
I really loved this mission. I finished just 500 or so short of max loot. Will there be a loot list posted?
In the sewers where the water falls into what looks like bubble bath I was able to pick up the bubble bath. Each bubble bath object appeared as a weapon in the lower left corner but disappeared after about two seconds. Can these be used for anything?
JonesCrusher on 11/2/2017 at 23:42
can someone help me move on.....
I have the wax mold and I am now going round and round the factory with the rats and I cant find where to put it.....I am sure I have seen the machine before,earlier in the game...but now it eludes me.....
JonesCrusher on 11/2/2017 at 23:45
you can kill rats with arrows,but mostly I lured the rats till they all dropped through the metal walkway into the sewers and drown....but I think they respawn
itllrun10s on 11/2/2017 at 23:48
Quote Posted by john9818a
I really loved this mission. I finished just 500 or so short of max loot. Will there be a loot list posted?
In the sewers
where the water falls into what looks like bubble bath I was able to pick up the bubble bath. Each bubble bath object appeared as a weapon in the lower left corner but disappeared after about two seconds. Can these be used for anything?
I noticed this too. Interested to know if this is relevant or just an anomaly.
Quote Posted by JonesCrusher
can someone help me move on.....
I have the wax mold and I am now going round and round the factory with the rats and I cant find where to put it.....I am sure I have seen the machine before,earlier in the game...but now it eludes me.....
The machine you're looking for is in the factory, which is next to the church.
itllrun10s on 11/2/2017 at 23:50
I just finished. What a fantastic mission. As always, well done, nicked!
Tannar on 12/2/2017 at 00:35
Quote Posted by JonesCrusher
can someone help me move on.....
I have the
wax mold and I am now going round and round the factory with the rats and I cant find where to put it.....I am sure I have seen the machine before,earlier in the game...but now it eludes me.....
You say you are
in the factory, but it doesn't sound like it. The factory with the machine is the small room with the red light that is reached from the side balcony of the cathedral. You can also kill rats with your sword, btw.