T2 campaign - The Black Frog (13-03-2012)

zimbabwe on 24/2/2021 at 11:14

After many years I finished my second playthrough of the entire series starting from l'Arsene and finishing with The Black Frog, needless to say this was great fun. The Den and Emilie Victor are one of my favorite FM's.

To be very honest, I felt a bit disappointed with this campaign. Don't get me wrong, I can see the care put into each mission and as a stand-alone campaign this is one of the best. My disappointment came mostly from the strong disconnect I felt with the objectives in the context of this being a continuation to the Emilie Victor FM. Garret's motivations here didn't add up, it was as if l'Arsene or Emilie Victor FM never happened. I can write pages but I'll just keep my criticism short in the form of questions that I kept asking myself when playing this :confused:.

Why is garret's relationship/previous history with Emilie ignored in this campaign?
Why doesn't Emilie contact Garret first to retrieve or destroy the painting?
Why is Emilie an enemy here? Garret owes his life to her, why the hate
Why does Garret retrieve the painting for Belmont even though it was clear from the journals that it's a bad idea?
Why does Garret take orders from a random keeper to go to the island? Since when are they besties
Why does Garret have to destroy the black frog?

All in all, by itself it is a fantastic campaign.

casalor on 1/10/2022 at 14:29

Started this in 2013 and just finished. A hard campaign but not as hard as the time lag suggests.

This is a really great campaign and I'm so glad I picked this one to get myself back into the world of Thief after a long pause. Tricky, atmospheric and downright spooky at times this was just the ticket.

Thanks, Gaetane!

caqo on 4/10/2022 at 08:16

love it-

fortuni on 28/1/2023 at 07:46

couple of dml's to fix hanging arrow bug in missions 2 + 4 as well as many fixes for mission 2, courtesy Glypher

The main reason for mission 2 dml is that the hoverbots do not work when playing via Newdark.

Mission 2

Fixes:

- goal 3, 4 are now irreversible (Breath of Karras can no longer be dropped)
- hanging objects bug
- new mantle issue
- doors (blockfrobs, protection, open angles, open positions)
- AIs (position, behaviour; hoverbots)
- misplaced objects (barrel, globes, books, coin, key)
- fireplaces
- minor fixes

Code:

DML1
//T2 FM: The Black Frog (The Portrait) by Gaetane / Fixes: miss21.mis.dml

//starting point
ObjProp 130 "Position"
{
"Location" -3.65, 203.25, 97
}

//quest items
+ObjProp 908 "DiffTurnOn"
{
"quest var values" 0, 1, 2
}
+ObjProp 908 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrapSetQVar
}
+ObjProp 908 "TrapQVar"
{
"" =0:goal_target_1
}
+ObjProp 909 "DiffTurnOn"
{
"quest var values" 0, 1, 2
}
+ObjProp 909 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrapSetQVar
}
+ObjProp 909 "TrapQVar"
{
"" =0:goal_target_2
}
+ObjProp 667 "DesignNote"
{
"" NVRelayTrapOn="FrobWorldEnd"; NVRelayTrapDelay=200
}
ObjProp 667 "Scripts"
{
"Script 1" NVRelayTrap
}
+ObjProp 1475 "NoDrop"
{
"" true
}
+ObjProp 1767 "DesignNote"
{
"" NVRelayTrapOn="FrobWorldEnd"; NVRelayTrapDelay=200
}
+Link 1767 1746 "ControlDevice"
{
}
ObjProp 1767 "Scripts"
{
"Script 1" NVRelayTrap
}
+ObjProp 1746 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrapSetQVar
}
+ObjProp 1746 "TrapQVar"
{
"" =1:goal_state_2
}
+ObjProp 2144 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrapSetQVar
}
+ObjProp 2144 "TrapQVar"
{
"" =1:goal_state_1
}

//secret
+ObjProp 2143 "DarkStat"
{
"" Hidden
}
+ObjProp 2143 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrapFindSecret
}
+ObjProp 2330 "FrobInfo"
{
"World Action" Move, Script
}
+Link 2330 2143 "ControlDevice"
{
}
ObjProp 2330 "Position"
{
"Pitch" c000
}
+ObjProp 2330 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrigWorldFrob
}
-ObjProp 2331 "DarkStat"
+Link 2331 2143 "ControlDevice"
{
}
ObjProp 2331 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrigWorldFrob
"Script 1" ""
"Script 2" ""
}
+ObjProp 2332 "FrobInfo"
{
"World Action" Move, Script
}
+Link 2332 2143 "ControlDevice"
{
}
+ObjProp 2332 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrigWorldFrob
}
+ObjProp 2333 "FrobInfo"
{
"World Action" Move, Script
}
+Link 2333 2143 "ControlDevice"
{
}
+ObjProp 2333 "Scripts"
{
"Script 0" TrigWorldFrob
}

//doors / hanging objects bug
ObjProp 70 "RotDoor"
{
"Open Angle" 89
}
ObjProp 123 "RotDoor"
{
"Open Angle" 90
"Clockwise?" false
}
ObjProp 148 "RotDoor"
{
"Open Angle" 90
"Clockwise?" false
}
ObjProp 148 "Position"
{
"Heading" 8000
}
-ObjProp 148 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 148 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
ObjProp 194 "TransDoor"
{
"Open Position" -3.50
"Base Speed" 2.00
}
ObjProp 342 "RotDoor"
{
"Open Angle" 90
"Clockwise?" false
}
ObjProp 374 "RotDoor"
{
"Open Angle" 88
}
+ObjProp 379 "PhysCanMant"
{
}
ObjProp 383 "RotDoor"
{
"Open Angle" 89
}
+Link 383 382 "ScriptParams"
{
"" Double
}
+Receptron 625 "WeaponStim"
{
Min None
Max None
Effect "Abort"
}
ObjProp 929 "RotDoor"
{
"Open Angle" 90
"Clockwise?" false
}
+Receptron 935 "WeaponStim"
{
Min None
Max None
Effect "Abort"
}
ObjProp 1004 "RotDoor"
{
"Open Angle" 90
"Clockwise?" false
}
ObjProp 1352 "TransDoor"
{
"Open Position" -3.50
"Base Speed" 2.00
}
ObjProp 1439 "RotDoor"
{
"Open Angle" 271
}
+MetaProp 1530 -2420
+MetaProp 1542 -2420
+MetaProp 2325 -2420
ObjProp 1706 "TransDoor"
{
"Open Position" -1.50
}
+ObjProp 1706 "BlockFrob"
{
"" true
}
ObjProp 1706 "Scripts"
{
"Script 1" ""
"Script 2" ""
}
-ObjProp 1706 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 1706 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
ObjProp 1715 "TransDoor"
{
"Open Position" 2.00
}
+ObjProp 1715 "BlockFrob"
{
"" true
}
ObjProp 1715 "Scripts"
{
"Script 1" ""
"Script 2" ""
}
-ObjProp 1715 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 1715 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}

//AIs
+ObjProp 405 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" cnoblem3
}
+ObjProp 1223 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" cnoblew3
}
+ObjProp 1517 "Scripts"
{
"Don't Inherit" true
}
+ObjProp 1580 "Scripts"
{
"Don't Inherit" true
}
+ObjProp 1951 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" cnoblem4
}
+ObjProp 1955 "AI_AlrtRsp"
{
"Alert level" (1) Low
"Priority" Absolute
"Response: Step 1" Add/Remove Meta-property(Add/Remove,Mprop name,Target Objects)
" Argument 1" Remove
" Argument 2" M-SittingSleeper
"Response: Step 2" Play sound/motion(Sound Concept,Sound Tags,Motion Tags)
" Argument 1"[1] tolevelone
" Argument 3"[1] Sit2Stand
}
ObjProp 1955 "Position"
{
"Location" -91.75, 85.75, 90.75
}
+ObjProp 1999 "InvRendType"
{
"Type" Alternate Bitmap
"Resource" cswgard1
}

//switches
+ObjProp 1216 "JointPos"
{
"Joint 1" 0.70
}
ObjProp 1216 "StTweqJoints"
{
"AnimS" Reverse
"Joint1AnimS" On, Reverse
}
-Link 1544 1530 "ControlDevice"
+Link 1544 1546 "FrobProxy"
{
"FrobProxyMask" AllowDirect
}
-Link 1545 1542 "ControlDevice"
+Link 1545 1064 "FrobProxy"
{
"FrobProxyMask" AllowDirect
}

//banners
+ObjProp 25 "SlayResult"
{
"Effect" Destroy
}
+ObjProp 32 "SlayResult"
{
"Effect" Destroy
}
+ObjProp 631 "SlayResult"
{
"Effect" Destroy
}
+ObjProp 1099 "SlayResult"
{
"Effect" Destroy
}
+ObjProp 1163 "SlayResult"
{
"Effect" Destroy
}
+ObjProp 1718 "SlayResult"
{
"Effect" Destroy
}

//fireplaces
ObjProp 57 "PGLaunchInfo"
{
"Min time" 2.00
"Max time" 2.50
}
ObjProp 59 "PGLaunchInfo"
{
"Max time" 2.00
}
ObjProp 262 "PGLaunchInfo"
{
"Min time" 3.00
"Max time" 3.50
}

//misplaced objects
ObjProp 89 "Position"
{
"Heading" c000
}
-ObjProp 89 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 89 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
ObjProp 427 "Position"
{
"Heading" c000
}
-ObjProp 427 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 427 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
ObjProp 1052 "Position"
{
"Heading" 4000
}
-ObjProp 1052 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 1052 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
ObjProp 1453 "Position"
{
"Heading" 8000
}
-ObjProp 1453 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 1453 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}
+Receptron 1694 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target Me
Agent -10

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" PhysControl
}
}
++Receptron 1694 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target 89
Agent -10

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" PhysControl
}
}
++Receptron 1694 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target 686
Agent -10

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" PhysControl
}
}
++Receptron 1694 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target 686
Agent 1916

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" PhysDims
}
}
++Receptron 1694 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target 1130
Agent -10

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" PhysControl
}
}
++Receptron 1694 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target 1130
Agent 1916

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" PhysDims
}
}
++Receptron 1694 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target 95
Agent -2418

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" Material Tags
}
}
++Receptron 1694 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target 1477
Agent -2418

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" Material Tags
}
}
++Receptron 1694 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target 2310
Agent -2418

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" Material Tags
}
}
+StimSource 1694 "Stench"
{
Intensity 1
Propagator "Radius"
}
ObjProp 1694 "Position"
{
"Location" 87.75, 178.2, 75.425
}
-ObjProp 2112 "PhysType"
ObjProp 2112 "Position"
{
"Location" -32.8, 158, 111.375
"Bank" 0
}

//various objects
-ObjProp 491 "PhysType"
ObjProp 760 "StTweqLock"
{
"AnimS" None
}

dml for DEDx fix

Code:

DML1
//T2 FM: The Black Frog (The Portrait) by Gaetane / Fixes: gat2.gam.dml

-ObjProp "Projectile" "DeathStage"
-ObjProp "M-SilenceEffectX" "Fungus"

Mission 4

Fixes hanging arrow bug

Code:

DML1
//T2 FM: The Black Frog (The Lady and the Thief) by Gaetane / Fixes: miss23.mis.dml

//hanging objects bug
+Receptron 2694 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target Me
Agent -10

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" PhysControl
}
}
++Receptron 2694 "Stench"
{
Max None

Target Me
Agent -2418

Effect "add_prop"
{
"Prop Name" Material Tags
}
}
+StimSource 2694 "Stench"
{
Intensity 1
Propagator "Radius"
}
+ObjProp 2694 "BlockFrob"
{
"" true
}
-ObjProp 2694 "PhysType"
+ObjProp 2694 "PhysType"
{
"Type" OBB
}

Hit Deity on 28/1/2023 at 13:09

If you're compiling info on things that are "broken" in FMs, there's one also in a mission that is part of this series, in L'Arsene. There's a door fairly close to the beginning of the mission just off one of the main streets behind a few unbreakable boards that are crisscrossing over it. You can pick that door open, but then it swings weird, disappears for a second, then comes around 270° in the wrong direction. It's a pretty common error with doors in FMs and it's still there. It doesn't cause any problems, but thought I'd mention it. I don't think the boards can ever be removed, and you can't get through there anyway.. it's just an "oddness" bug really.

fortuni on 28/1/2023 at 13:35

Is this the (https://i.postimg.cc/qv4kkSQY/dump007.png) door you talking about, it's unlocked, didn't need to pick it open, but all good with me, didn't notice anything strange with it's behaviour.

PS. In future obj numbers or saves significantly help track down what your referring to.

vfig on 28/1/2023 at 15:05

Hit Deity: if you want to report a bug in a mission, please take a moment to search for that fm's own thread and post it there. this thread isnt about the fm L'Arsène nor even that series.

baeuchlein on 28/1/2023 at 17:29

There is a connection between the Black Frog and the "L'Arsene series". Emilie Victor, who plays an important role in the Black Frog campaign, is introduced in the mission "Emilie Victor" of the L'Arsene series.

Other than that, it's really a good idea to try to post things about a mission in the mission's thread, unless there is a good reason to do it otherwise.

sacom on 12/5/2025 at 20:55

I found the book about ' more information about this portrait.' And I heard the sound when you got a objective. But when I finish the part 2 this objective is not checked.
And I can't start part 3.
I did Ctrl alt shift end and nothing happens. I'm on GOG for my Thief 2

Problem solved ...