baeuchlein on 4/12/2020 at 14:22
Quote Posted by Samantha1
I´ve got one question though: Who is the german voice actor of garrett in this campaign? I´ve heard him several times by now and gotta say he´s really good :)
That is Zappen/Zappenduster. He has already voiced Garrett (and one or two other characters) in several german translations of FMs. He also does a lot of other work behind the scenes for translating. AFAIK, he also used some kind of electronic speech synthesis program to give other characters a german voice, such as Vivianne.
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Though I have no idea what garrett meant at the end when he said he has lots to think about like he doesn´t know what he achieved.. Isn´t it obvious? He saved the world yet again & got lots of gold out of it. What´s better than that?! :cheeky:
In the beginning, it is strongly suggested that he wanted to help Vivianne, an old friend of his (and possibly love interest). That certainly did not work as he expected:
Vivianne was just using him for her own, rather evil, plans, and then dumped him into the cistern, where he was meant to die. Garrett's original "mission" was in vain even before he started it. And in the end, Vivianne died. Garrett probably already came to the conclusion that he would have to kill her himself - guess what kind of decision he probably had to make before following his old "friend". And remember what Garrett said at the end of Mission 1: "Maybe I'm not such a cold-hearted bastard at all."
I think money is not such a good compensation for what Garrett did
not achieve, despite his best intentions.
Samantha1 on 4/12/2020 at 20:28
Quote Posted by baeuchlein
That is Zappen/Zappenduster. He has already voiced Garrett (and one or two other characters) in several german translations of FMs. He also does a lot of other work behind the scenes for translating. AFAIK, he also used some kind of electronic speech synthesis program to give other characters a german voice, such as Vivianne.
That is actually zappenduster? :eek: I´m a super huge fan of his fanmissions and I had kind of a hunch that it might be him, but that it actually IS him, that´s so cool! :cheeky: He´s doing such a great job of voicing him! :)
Ah that´s also why vivianne´s german voice sounded rather.. robotic.. in the german translation.
Thanks for the information! :)
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In the beginning, it is strongly suggested that he wanted to help Vivianne, an old friend of his (and possibly love interest). That certainly did not work as he expected:
Vivianne was just using him for her own, rather evil, plans, and then dumped him into the cistern, where he was meant to die. Garrett's original "mission" was in vain even before he started it. And in the end, Vivianne died. Garrett probably already came to the conclusion that he would have to kill her himself - guess what kind of decision he probably had to make before following his old "friend". And remember what Garrett said at the end of Mission 1: "Maybe I'm not such a cold-hearted bastard at all."
I think money is not such a good compensation for what Garrett did
not achieve, despite his best intentions.
Yeah I understand. But I don´t think that describes his character very well. The Garrett in this FM was different compared to the real Garrett from the beginning. Garrett is not cold-hearted and he saves people when he can, but his top priority is and always will be money. He´s a thief, not a hero, or rather, he doesn´t want to be a hero. Though as already said you can´t really compare it, cause here he had a love interest, which doesn´t suit his character either imo.
baeuchlein on 5/12/2020 at 20:53
Quote Posted by Samantha1
I don´t think that describes his character very well. The Garrett in this FM was different compared to the real Garrett from the beginning. Garrett is not cold-hearted and he saves people when he can, but his top priority is and always will be money. He´s a thief, not a hero, or rather, he doesn´t want to be a hero. Though as already said you can´t really compare it, cause here he had a love interest, which doesn´t suit his character either imo.
This picture of Garrett as a live-saver who never has any love interest is usually found here and sometimes on the german TTLG.DE site, but I do not think that this characterization of Garrett is a sure thing. In both intro movies of Thief 1 and 2, a guard gets shot through the neck, most likely by Garrett, and without any visible danger for the latter. And the Garrett-Victoria relationship in Thief 2 is viewed by some people as a bit more than just collaboration. Furthermore, the image of Garrett not killing without necessity might stem from the restriction not to kill anyone, which is often found on expert level in the original Thief missions. But there's Hard and Normal as well, although there are several die-hard Thief fans who think that forced ghosting with not even being allowed to kill a bee due to an accident is the one and only way Thief should be played. I do certainly
not agree to this view.
I do not think Garrett would kill for pleasure, but whether he would kill because someone is in his way, I can't say for sure. And the first appearance of Garrett for someone who meets him might very well be the one of a cold-hearted being.
And then there's the case of Lotus, the Pagan spy, who is found in one of Thief 2's original missions by Garrett. Garrett kills him, if I'm not mistaken, although it is at Lotus' request.
There's more than black and white in the image of Garrett.
Samantha1 on 5/12/2020 at 21:40
Quote Posted by baeuchlein
This picture of Garrett as a live-saver who never has any love interest is usually found here and sometimes on the german TTLG.DE site, but I do not think that this characterization of Garrett is a sure thing. In both intro movies of Thief 1 and 2, a guard gets shot through the neck, most likely by Garrett, and without any visible danger for the latter. And the Garrett-Victoria relationship in Thief 2 is viewed by some people as a bit more than just collaboration. Furthermore, the image of Garrett not killing without necessity might stem from the restriction not to kill anyone, which is often found on expert level in the original Thief missions. But there's Hard and Normal as well, although there are several die-hard Thief fans who think that forced ghosting with not even being allowed to kill a bee due to an accident is the one and only way Thief should be played. I do certainly
not agree to this view.
I do not think Garrett would kill for pleasure, but whether he would kill because someone is in his way, I can't say for sure. And the first appearance of Garrett for someone who meets him might very well be the one of a cold-hearted being.
And then there's the case of Lotus, the Pagan spy, who is found in one of Thief 2's original missions by Garrett. Garrett kills him, if I'm not mistaken, although it is at Lotus' request.
There's more than black and white in the image of Garrett.
That´s pretty interesting. Since Garrett is a mysterious guy and not that much is known or shown about him, it is for people to interpret his character as they want him to be or rather how they imagine him to be. Him being mysterious and not well-known is done on purpose, because it makes him look cool and cold-hearted. But there are certain visible facts about him. Garrett is not an evil person that would kill or hurt others for pleasure, he does help when he´s asked for it. That is clearly shown in thief 3 (when he got interested in saving the world for the first time without getting anything in return) and also in thief 2 (when he helped out Basso or worked together with Victoria).
Lotus was suffering so Garrett did the last thing he asked for and released him from his pain. That shows that Garrett has a side that does care.
The Garrett-Victoria ship however is simple interpretation by some thief fans. It was never mentioned or even hinted that he felt sth. for her - and vice versa. It is clear that he cared for her as a friend or "business partner", shown in the last scene of thief 2 when he wanted to save her from dying, but more than that is simple wishfull thinking for a love interest by thief fans which I don´t share. "The picture of garrett as a life-saver who never has any love interest" is the usual picture people have from garrrett because that´s what is shown to the fans. And I too only care about known facts. A known fact for example is that he cares about Artemus, who is a possible father-figure for him, since he took him from the streets and taught him everything he knows. That he cares about artemus is shown in thief 2, when he only listened to artemus and not to the other keepers. A known fact is also that he would do others some favours if he gets sth. out of it, for example saving Basso from Cragsleft. But that doesn´t mean he´d do it for nothing. He is not cold-hearted, but he is no selfless Samaritan either. And that is only interpretation of myself, but if necessary Garrett would kill if it means to protect himself and others. He did kill Constantine and Karras after all aswell, not by his own hands but still. You can´t know if he feels regrets about killing someone, but the way I see Garrett, I think he is very pleased with himself and the way he lives.
baeuchlein on 10/12/2020 at 00:59
I think there is so much that is only vaguely hinted at, and sometimes even different between the language versions of at least the first two games, that we don't know exactly who Garrett is. For example, when Victoria dies in Thief 2, the german pronounciation of Garrett's "Karras..." line sounds as if Garrett has trouble keeping his wrath at bay. Some fand speculate from that that there is more than a business partner relationship between Garrett and Victoria. I think this really is speculative, but I do not rule it out. Unless we one day see a little, plant-green boy named Victor Garrett and having a habit of running around in black robes, we will never know for sure.;)
But if you play Zontik's "Patriot" campaign, for example, you will see a Garrett who is definitely more different from what the games show than the Garrett of Sturmdrang Peak.
downwinder on 10/12/2020 at 04:29
the day garrett took dewdrop into his hands his life changed forever
a great example of how garrett changed is in thief 3 when he went out of hisway to help laurel from the hag spell,the point is he was once a hardend type but over the years he became a great man all due to dewdrop
and now i know his parents were pagans who relalized that putting him into the city was his best chance at a life in the long run as they knew life in the woodsie's was coming to a end and i am pretty sure they knew he was going to be something speical before the keepers knew,never forget what artimis said when he first meet garrett as a child,he was able to see a keep who did not wish to be seen "as it was written" "and theres more" "show me"
and yes all these fan missions have a piece of garrett in them as he was ever changing through out his life
even the hag feared what garrett was and she knew all along what he would do, never forget the end of thief 3 when the hag was crying and said "all gone" she wasent even able to change the course of what was ment to be even though she was around for hundreds of years she said her self she was the glyphs
even ripping pages of people from the book of names was no help to her
i hope one day they make a real thief 4 from where thief 3 ended
"dewdrop is the key to everything"
Samantha1 on 10/12/2020 at 07:25
Quote Posted by baeuchlein
I think there is so much that is only vaguely hinted at, and sometimes even different between the language versions of at least the first two games, that we don't know exactly who Garrett is. For example, when Victoria dies in Thief 2, the german pronounciation of Garrett's "Karras..." line sounds as if Garrett has trouble keeping his wrath at bay. Some fand speculate from that that there is more than a business partner relationship between Garrett and Victoria. I think this really is speculative, but I do not rule it out. Unless we one day see a little, plant-green boy named Victor Garrett and having a habit of running around in black robes, we will never know for sure.;)
But if you play Zontik's "Patriot" campaign, for example, you will see a Garrett who is definitely more different from what the games show than the Garrett of Sturmdrang Peak.
Honestly, the VictoriaxGarrett ship only comes about because people (especially girls) always only dream about love. There´s one woman Garrett meets in the 3 games and what happens? He gets shipped with her. It´s always like that, not just in Thief. In every anime, in every series, in every movie,- a guy meets a woman and BAM they get shipped. And it doesn´t end with just woman and man. They ship everything - man x man, man x child, man x tree.... :'D
I took a big swing now but the point is, people just like to imagine romantic relationships and its the same with thief. It´s pretty much only in their imagination, because a Garrett x Victoria relationship was never hinted at and victoria died before there could have even be one. Hell, you could even ship Garrett and Artemus more than Garrett with Victoria and believe me, there are people that ship even those two. So yeah, just like the garrett x victoria relationship it´s just nonsense and nothing more than what people like to imagine, it shouldn´t be given serious thought.
I played Zontik´s FM "patriot", but only two missions and then dropped it. It was one of the worst FMs I´ve ever played and I really play alot lately. In general I´m not a fan of any of his fanmissions.
But we are going off topic here, if you´d like to continue the talk about garrett or anything else, I´d appreciate a PM from you :)
@downwinder: You are a dewdrop fanatic, I can´t even take you serious on this! :laff:
baeuchlein on 10/12/2020 at 14:34
Quote Posted by Samantha1
Honestly, the VictoriaxGarrett ship only comes about because people (especially girls) always only dream about love. [...] a Garrett x Victoria relationship was never hinted at and victoria died before there could have even be one. [...]
[...] if you´d like to continue the talk about garrett or anything else, I´d appreciate a PM from you :)
Since you seem rather fixed on
your interpretations about Garrett, what would be the point?
Samantha1 on 10/12/2020 at 16:05
Quote Posted by baeuchlein
Since you seem rather fixed on
your interpretations about Garrett, what would be the point?
My interpretation is from facts and hints only. But I´m always open for discussions. So far no one could give me a fact about the victoria x garrett ship though, so yeah, I believe it to be nonsense.
vincentlancon on 20/4/2023 at 20:14
After the Latest New Dark patch, I can no longer play mission 2 tunnel rats, nothing is frobable and I have no inventory. I tried resetting and redownloading the mission , can anyone else play mission 2 now?
