T2 Campaign - Keeper of Infinity 2: Mission 1 - Bad Venture (6 Jan 2016) - by Soul Tear
Dahenjo on 2/12/2021 at 19:36
Quote Posted by Estel Randir
This is the latest English version. There is no talking to Jonas twice. The second time you try to "see" him, he has disappeared. You then have to track him to the sewers where he is dead.
In this version there is no giving Jonas a crystal, no dialogue about money for a room, etc. It is just as I stated. I downloaded the mission from the front page of this thread.
The "catecombs" was part of the forest key objective which completed when I get the Forest key.
The latest English version is 1.6 with the file name 'KeeperOfInfinity2_v1_6ENG.zip', however the readme file still says v1.5.
You (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIGEs_OVMVE&t=6047s) talk to Jonas three times before the time he isn't there:
1) He tells you to inspect the House of Science with a new objective for that.
2) He gives you a crystal to absorb the entity that you find there, get new objective for that.
3) Give back crystal, he tells you to stay another day and gives you money for the inn.
The mission is partly working and partly not for whatever reasons and probably can't be completed as intended at this point.
The area you call the catacombs where you take the key is the guard barracks.
baeuchlein on 2/12/2021 at 20:38
This looks very bad now.:sweat: So far, I have never experienced this mission go wrong so much. It is possible that the conversations with Jonas somehow went wrong, just like some conversations with another "quest giver" in the second mission frequently go wrong. That would most likely explain why parts of the Jonas conversations apparently never happened, and why the goals of the mission don't seem to work properly. I would recommend restarting the mission (or reloading an earlier savegame from a time before meeting Jonas for the first time), for I also doubt that there is anything that can be done to complete it from the point where Estel Randir is stuck now. Sorry, but I do not have any other idea right now.:(
I had already forgotten that the info file could be wrong concerning the version number...:tsktsk:
Estel Randir on 2/12/2021 at 21:09
The archive name is KeeperOfInfinity2_v1.6ENG.zip but, From the info file:
Chapter I: Bad Venture
Chapter II: Raven's Nest
NewDark 1.23
Author: Soul Tear
Contact: [email]soultear999@gmail.com[/email], TTLG.com
Release date: January 4, 2016
Version 1.5
I have done nothing out of the unusual that I would not do in any other Thief mission. I might and I mean "might" restart if I have nothing else to do this weekend just to see if I get the same results. I have already restarted from multiple saves to the same results. This is also on expert if I did not mention earlier.
Estel Randir on 6/12/2021 at 06:51
Welp, I figured out what was causing my game to break. All the issues I had in the couple of posts above - the issue is a linear scripting issue along with incomplete and poor mission objectives. I restarted from scratch. I did not fool around. I only did the minimal things to get to the first Jonas objective - find his hideout. After finding his hideout he gave me the "test" to go inspect the house of science. I saved. I then approached this two ways:
1) I went to the House Of Science, climbed the back roof and clicked on the glowing creature (cloud). I got objective complete. NOTE: The objective never said return directly to Jonas after inspecting the house of science, nor does it change to return to Jonas after completing it. If I return directly to Jonas and do not sidetrack, I get the second objective where Jonas gives me the crystal and asks me to capture the creature.
2) After leaving Jonas to inspect the house of science, I instead took a detour and climbed into Therion's window. I took the book, read it & got the objective "Therion has sent a messenger for reinforcements..... I should let Jonas know". Now at this point I did not bother going to the house of science. I went back to Jonas.. and he was gone to his hideout in the sewers. This completely breaks the game at this point. You cannot complete the mission. There is no use trying to inspect the house of science - the game is still broken.
I backed into this same bug via my normal playthrough in a different sequence of events, but the result was the same. If you read Therion's book before you complete the tasks Jonas has for you, it breaks the game.
Thief is a game of exploration as well as objectives. No one for the first time playing this would know where the house of science was. And therefore they would explore trying to find it. And they could easily do what I did, find Therion's window first & break the game. There was no explicit guidance like, "don't mess around and go to the house of science & come straight back to Jonas", etc.
Given the numerous complaints, game breaking issues, etc - the author really should pull the mission downloads until these are resolved. I do appreciate all the hard work that goes into these missions. But honestly, I would never recommend anyone play this FM.
baeuchlein on 7/12/2021 at 00:41
Very good analysis of the problem, Estel Randir!:thumb:
Yes, reading Thereon's notes before returning the filled-up crystal to Jones does break the mission, just in the way you experienced. But the author has done one or two things to prevent this.
The intended way to get to Thereon after delivering the crystal to Jonas was to go through Inspector Mercador's room in the inn, climb out of the window in that room, and go around the inn on a ledge below the window. You should then reach Thereon's window at the end of this journey. But the door to Mercador's room does open only after you give the crystal to Jonas.
There were two possibilities to circumvent this "door lock" at first. You could shoot an arrow into the door in the earlier versions of the FM, and the door would open. And you could fire a rope arrow into a certain spot on the round tower outside Thereon's window, climb the rope and jump onto the ledge.
However, both these bugs should be fixed in v1.6 of the campaign, AFAIK. So, how did you manage to get to Thereon's window?
Estel Randir on 7/12/2021 at 03:22
Quote Posted by baeuchlein
Very good analysis of the problem, Estel Randir!:thumb:
Yes, reading Thereon's notes before returning the filled-up crystal to Jones does break the mission, just in the way you experienced. But the author has done one or two things to prevent this.
The
intended way to get to Thereon
after delivering the crystal to Jonas was to
go through Inspector Mercador's room in the inn, climb out of the window in that room, and go around the inn on a ledge below the window. You should then reach Thereon's window at the end of this journey. But the door to
Mercador's room does open only after you give the crystal to Jonas.
There were two possibilities to circumvent this "door lock" at first. You could shoot an arrow into the door in the earlier versions of the FM, and the door would open. And you could fire a rope arrow into a certain spot on the round tower outside Thereon's window, climb the rope and jump onto the ledge.
However, both these bugs should be fixed in v1.6 of the campaign, AFAIK. So, how did
you manage to get to Thereon's window?
Rope into the rafter @ the outside of the building.
All of soul tears links to the files for English version are dead, and only 1 link works for Russian version. Even the last link in post462 by soul tear is dead. Since I am not Russian, I downloaded from post 460 - which stated it is the 1.6 version. And as mentioned above, the name of my mission archive states v1.6. Post #491 states the same thing reagarding the version numbers. But the info file states 1.5.
Estel Randir on 7/12/2021 at 06:48
Tried to complete the mission the *right* way. Got the crystal with the elremental in it, gave it to Jonas, Jonas gives me money to stay the night, got the get some rest objective. Went to the other inn by the house of science, door was open, read the book, got the .."this is no problem for you" objective, got the spider in the empty can. Went back to the other inn.... none of the doors would open that would progress the mission to allow me to put the spider in the bed. Mission broken again.
I have no idea if T2Fix 1.27e has anything to do with this or not, but I am done with this mission (deleting it) and anything with soul tear's name on it. Not just because of this mission but including other comments he has made about priorities and FMs. Gluck if you decide to play this mission, you will need it
T-Linkz on 4/7/2022 at 20:24
This is by far the most annoying FM i ever played, Nothing works, objectives doesn`t tick off, restart, Installed thief 2 again, again, check scripts, double check, check again, reinstall, other 800 FM`s playing correctly, except this one...This could be a really great FM for playing....If it should work :-(
Grtzz T-Linkz
A.Stahl on 7/7/2022 at 06:59
Quote Posted by T-Linkz
Nothing works
Nothing? Well, in THIS case, nothing can be done.
But if something IS working, you can explain what you do and what you expect in the result and someone might suggest an explanation.
baeuchlein on 7/7/2022 at 14:53
In the specific case of this mission pack, it would also be helpful to check which version number it is, as there have been several updates. Since there's at least one case (v1.6) where there's a wrong version number mentioned in the FM's info file (v1.5 is stated, see above in Estel Randir's posts), we also need to be on our toes for this possibility, depending on the version reported.
Likewise, the version number of T2Fix could further help to narrow down what might cause issues. Sorry, but sometimes, things can be complicated.:erg:
