rustmite on 17/12/2016 at 13:59

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I found itjust down the way from the sewer manhole, leaning against a barrel, not at the inn

Azaran on 17/12/2016 at 20:53

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I think my game might be broken. I got quite a bit further, all I need to do is hit the loot minimum, get some rest, and drop the spider, but Cleman's door won't open. Here's my (https://s30.postimg.org/8554wmmvl/dump013.png) objective screen

I didn't reread Thereon's notes after the first time

EDIT: Ok, everything got sorted out after I got the loot.

By the way, is there some kind of huge loot stash somewhere? I'm short like 4000 of the total, and I swear I've checked every nook and cranny
(I tried opening it in Dromed to see if there's some ultra secret area I missed, but it crashes every time with this mission)

Azaran on 18/12/2016 at 15:43

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Ah ok, I guess there's limits to how much loot you can get depending on the difficulty. I got it working in Dromed (thanks!), and there's an area that's not accessible in this difficulty with some extra loot (the wine depot). Will have to replay this in another difficulty

Johnny01 on 2/7/2017 at 21:03

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I love the novel approach to difficulty where there's less forgiving shadowing and you can't just KO everyone and freeroam without challenge.

Actually I do have some personal criticisms.
Obviously this FM is quite an achievement in terms of graphical detail. But when it comes to gameplay I find that (at least from what I've gone through so far) the level design is very linear, mostly consisting of small areas (that are filled with unopenable doors *everywhere*) that are interconnected and kind of funnel you through a contrived, fairly constricted way to reach the next area. Sometimes with a little sidepath where you can grab some extra loot at the end of it. It does remind me a lot of modern game design and I just kind of hope that Thief FMs aren't headed in the direction of style over substance, what with a lot of people saying that the quality of FMs has gone up so much; I can't help but feel that this is often in a superficial, graphical or cinematic appeal, because I still thoroughly enjoy much older missions that I hadn't played yet (I'm a relatively recent, more casual player). From what I'm seeing in the few comments I've skimmed over so far though, a lot of problems that people are having with this mission do seem to stem from this approach of trying to create something that's overly pre-scripted and cinematic. I personally enjoy missions with an open design, that don't have to look like Thief 2014 in terms of graphics. But experimentation in all directions I think is still a great thing; although the world is already constantly being filled with cinematic linear adventure games.
Just throwing that out there; I may be completely paranoid in thinking that's what people are drifting towards now - from looking at some of the comments I wasn't the only one thinking in this direction - and I may be jumping the gun on my judgment of this mission (but I must say rudely but honestly that I didn't enjoy it much once I got into the castle) I also probably sound ungrateful. I'm not, though. I'm extremely thankful of this community which has already created more entertainment and engaging artistry than I'd ever deserve, especially for free. This mission was sometimes amazing in how it looked (and the readables so far are superb in providing some extra dimension, without too much exposition) but in the end it's making me feel kind of trapped in a way; like trapped on a movie-set or something. So I'm going to put it down for now.

Squadarofl on 4/7/2017 at 12:28

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What do you mean by that? Aiming at impress video game developers with yours FMs? :D