T2 Campaign - Keeper of Infinity 2: Mission 1 - Bad Venture (6 Jan 2016)

Dead Rat on 11/3/2016 at 10:22

Yeah, well I got into the wine cellar but I'm going to have to give up on this one. I should have started it on Taffer but I don't fancy starting again. Just too many improbable hurdles to overcome in order to achieve trivial objectives. And from what I read of other people's problems, it gets worse rather than better.

A pity, because the artwork has a real ambience to it that invites immersion, but the gameplay is not going to let that happen.

cavador_8 on 22/3/2016 at 03:46

I have never seen a mission with so many convoluted objectives where if you don't do them in a specific certain order then certain other events will not happen and therefore make the mission unplayable. In Bad Venture (version 1.6) on Taffer difficulty, I didn't read Thereon's notes the second time until after Jonas was dead. It seems that doing this has rendered this mission unable to be completed. After reading the notes a second time, I got the objective; "Thereon has sent a messenger for reinforcements and tomorrow the mages will infiltrate the house of science, you should let Jonas know." But Jonas is DEAD! And now the Room 2 and 3 in the Stumbled Traveler Inn will not open at all so I cannot do the spider objective. I tried reading the note on the door of the house of science again and reading Thereon's notes again and going back to Jonas' room at the inn but still nothing. Rooms 2 and 3 are forever locked and there seems to be no way to solve the let Jonas know objective because he is already dead. This appears to be a major game ending bug unless I am doing something wrong.

baeuchlein on 22/3/2016 at 20:52

Reading Thereon's notes a second time does trigger the appearance of the "inform Jonas" objective again, but in v1.6 of the campaign, this does not necessary mean that the mission cannot be completed. I just dropped the spider at the end of the mission, then quickly read Thereon's notes again (after Cleman considered a career as long distance runner:ebil: ), and the "inform Jonas" objective appeared again. But the mission ended successfully.

Try to proceed with the mission. I don't know whose room has which number, but maybe we can still verify whether it's OK that two doors have not opened so far.

The door to Cleman's room will open near the end of the mission, which you most likely have not reached yet. The door to Thereon's room (opposite Cleman's room) will never open. The door in the room with the fireplace most likely has opened already if you have obtained Thereon's notes.

So, try to do something else. Do you have the spider already? Did you obtain the forest key, or the key to the attic?

Did you return the crystalto Jonas after using it near the "House of Science"? Did he give you money upon returning the crystal? Do you still have the objective to just look for a room, or did it change to "There are no avaliable rooms. But this is not a problem for you, right?" when speaking with Jonas?

Have you searched Jonas' hideout in the "Stumbled Traveler Inn" after he died, and did you find and read Jonas' diary in there?

cavador_8 on 22/3/2016 at 23:05

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Do you have the spider already? Did you obtain the forest key, or the key to the attic? Did you return the crystal to Jonas after using it near the "House of Science"? Did he give you money upon returning the crystal? Do you still have the objective to just look for a room, or did it change to "There are no available rooms. But this is not a problem for you, right?" when speaking with Jonas? Have you searched Jonas' hideout in the "Stumbled Traveler Inn" after he died, and did you find and read Jonas' diary in there?

Yes to all of those questions.

Here are the objectives I have completed (taffer difficulty)

1. find jonas' hide-out in the ST inn
2. jonas wants you to put the empty crystal into the elemental
3. find the mage, thereon, and steal his records
4. steal the forest key
5. dispel the magic

Here are the objectives I have not solved

1. thereon has sent a messenger for reinforcement. you should let jonas know
2. steal 3200
3. there are no available rooms anywhere
4. you should let the keepers know about the beasts but right now get some rest
5. mr. cleman is afraid of insects. how would he react if he found a spider on his chest?
6. jacob wants me not to disturb Lady Adaline

It is also possible that some objectives are not showing on my screen because there are some eight thousand total objectives in this mission and they keep running off the page.

Thanks for your help. I'm close to giving up on this one. :mad:

baeuchlein on 23/3/2016 at 00:58

I think you're almost done. Just steal enough money, then return to Cleman's room. In a previous version of the mission, I needed to steal stuff worth 3200, then Cleman's door was open. So this objective has to be fulfilled before you enter Cleman's room - which is logical, since you will be able to finish the first mission in there.

cavador_8 on 23/3/2016 at 02:18

Thanks baeuchlein, you were right. Yes, obtaining the loot requirement does trigger Room 2 (Mr. Cleman's) to open in the inn. But now I still have a major problem. I went up to Mr. Cleman's Room 2 at the inn and it was open after obtaining the loot requirement. So I tossed the can with the spider on his bed and then I frobbed the bed to get some rest and solve the no rooms available objective. But now I am trapped in that room with only one objective left. Which one? You guessed it: "Thereon has sent a messenger for reinforcements. You should let Jonas know."

Just because I reread Thereon's notes at the wrong time, after Jonas was killed, this mission looks like it cannot be completed for me. I HATE cntrl+alt+shift+ending for any mission. I should not have to do that.

baeuchlein on 23/3/2016 at 12:44

I just checked it out myself - yes, you're right. If you read Thereon's notes while Jonas is already dead, the first mission cannot be completed anymore. Only if you manage to finish the mission a few seconds after reading Thereon's notes at the wrong time, the mission does end successfully. Of course, that's not something that will help you now. It's CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-End time once again.:rolleyes:

Too bad. AFAIK, this bug has been present for a long time in the mission, but never got fixed.

cavador_8 on 23/3/2016 at 15:56

Thanks baeuchlein for confirming this bug. This is quite a serious game ending bug that really needs to be addressed. It's such a shame because this mission is awesome otherwise. I am actually thinking about replaying it and reading Thereon's notes for the second time at the right moment to prevent this from happening. When would be the ideal time to reread those notes to prevent this from happening?

baeuchlein on 23/3/2016 at 18:21

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I am actually thinking about replaying it and reading Thereon's notes for the second time at the right moment to prevent this from happening. When would be the ideal time to reread those notes to prevent this from happening?

To sucessfully end the mission, you only need to read Thereon's notes once, and that's when you find them. If you really wish to read these notes a second time, you better save your game before you do that, then read the notes, and in the end reload the savegame again. AFAIK, there is no need for reading the notes more than once, unless you have forgotten something which was mentioned in there.

cavador_8 on 23/3/2016 at 19:30

Oh, ok. I will try that then. After reading Thereon's notes once, I will leave that damn book alone! Thanks for your help baeuchlein. I greatly appreciate it! :D