voodoo47 on 13/8/2015 at 11:17
if you have the bandwidth, please zip and share your Thief install (minus the CRFs and movies, don't need those, and that should also make the download significantly smaller. 7zip maximum compression, if you can). sendspace, mediafire or similar should allow hosting of large files.
Marbrien on 13/8/2015 at 13:58
Quote Posted by voodoo47
if you have the bandwidth, please zip and share your Thief install (minus the CRFs and movies, don't need those, and that should also make the download significantly smaller. 7zip maximum compression, if you can). sendspace, mediafire or similar should allow hosting of large files.
Hi voodoo47,
Just tried to PM you, but apparently you are over the PM size limit and need to clear some stuff out!
Anyway, before I sent you anything, I thought I would try another install. So I put the original install under a folder called Temp.
I used the TG discs for the new install. Setup.exe refused to work because it thought it was being installed under Windows NT; I remember now this is what happened with the original install too. So, as I did originally, I used the manual method, copying the THIEF directory from both CDs on top of each other at C:\Games. Then I ran TFix v1.22 on it. But the lock pick problem was still there.
So here is a 7zip of the original install, under the Temp folder, and minus all .avi and .crf files.
Thanks for your help in trying to sort this out.
Mark O'Brien.
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/es2bjnely0lq7ka/TEMP.7z?dl=0) https://www.dropbox.com/s/es2bjnely0lq7ka/TEMP.7z?dl=0
PS I just tried a manual reinstall from the T1 discs, then TFix v1.22, but have still got the same problem.
AntiMatter_16 on 13/8/2015 at 17:03
You can force setup to continue by running setup with the -lgntforce switch added to the shortcut/command line.
You can open the Windows run command by pressing the
Windows Button+R, then typing
Code:
X:\setup.exe - lgntforce
(Where X is the letter of your CD-ROM drive.)
Also, I downloaded your install, and dropped it into C:\Games\Thief and dropped the *.Crf files into .\Res, and the interfce.crf patch into .\Patches. And it worked perfectly...
Disable antivirus and try again?
voodoo47 on 13/8/2015 at 17:22
confirming. while not able to say exactly what is going on, I'm now pretty sure the game is getting partially blocked by antivirus/other security feature. disable whatever you can, try adding thief.exe to all exception lists, and hope it will help.
also, did you try renaming thief.exe to tg.exe? while seemingly dumb, "thief.exe" is something that can trigger stupid security software.
notes:
-you should be able to install from cd by running the setup.exe in win9x compatibility mode.
-T1 is supported, but has not been tested extensively, though considering that all TFix really needs to work are the orig crf files, chances of something going wrong are extremely low. anyway, using TG will always be a safer bet.
AntiMatter_16 on 13/8/2015 at 17:29
Another thought is since Newdark runs on modern operating systems, ensure it isn't running in compatibility mode for windows 98 or other version of windows.
Marbrien on 13/8/2015 at 19:20
I have already added thief.exe to Norton's firewall list of exceptions. It hasn't helped.
I just turned off the Norton 360 AV. I tried to install from the TG discs using the Run command with the -igntforce parameter, set up started but ended a few seconds later with the Windows NT message. Tried again, same result.
So with the AV still off, I installed manually from the TG discs and ran TFixv1.22. Lock pick problem still there.
I then renamed thief.exe to TG.exe. FMSel then crashes. I can run the renamed thief.exe directly, but that only gives me access to the first OM which has no lock picks anyway, and presumably I can't play FMs any more.
Newdark is not among the list of programs in the Control Panel. I have no idea where it is in the system and therefore have no way of checking if it is running in a compatibility mode.
I have renamed TG.exe back to THIEF.EXE and now the game crashes and will not run at all.
bjack on 13/8/2015 at 19:21
EDIT: Sorry Marbrien, I was typing away before you posted and got side tracked, then posted, but did not see your response above. Sorry to hear you are having these problems and that my method below will probably not fix your issue. Damn. :( For others, the method below may help. Give it a try.
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This may help if you are having troubles with TG/T1 and playing FMs. This is what I did and it worked perfectly. Windows 7. Also running Cox Cable's version of McAfee Anti Virus.
1. Download v1.22 of tfix
2. create 2 directories like c:\games\tg and c:\games\tg_fms
3. Do not attempt to use the TG installer. Just open up the install disk and copy the entire on cents of the "thief" directory into you c:\games\tg folder
4. Now copy the second disk's "their" directory into the c:\games\tg folder and select the overwrite option when prompted. Let the 2nd disk overwrite any matching files from the first disk. (This is explained in the tfix thread).
5. Now run the tfix application and let it do its work.
6. Download an FM into your tg_fms directory in a new sub-directory "calendar_FM" or whatever you want to call it.
7. Run the built in fm selector and set the path to the fm directory.
I used this method that is very similar to the optional tfix method in the link. They state that if the installer fails to start, do something similar to the above steps. I've just added the FM part.
It is interesting to me that I did not have to do the manual copy with my old XP box. I figure it has to do with authorization or something different in Win7. Whatever the reason, the above steps resulted in a perfect install and zero glitches so far. I am still roaming the streets, so I am in the early part of the mission. If something does break, I'll post it, but I think it will be fine. And no issues at all with anti-virus running. Sometimes I suspend it though while playing just to free up some resources, but I have not done that yet with this installation.
Marbrien on 13/8/2015 at 19:41
Thanks bjack, but that is pretty much what I have done too on some of my numerous attempts to fix this.
I'm beginning to wonder if its something in Windows 8.1. The laptop I'm trying to run T1 FMs on is Windows 8.1. In the same room is a Windows 7 desktop. They are both linked wirelessly to a printer in another room. The laptop frequently loses connection with the printer, which requires a reset of the printer and the router. The Windows 7 machine does not have these problems. Unfortunately, the applications I am most likely to print from, e.g. MS Office, are on the laptop and it wouldn't be feasible to swap them round. Which suggests to me that W8.1 is not as stable an OS as W7.
voodoo47 on 13/8/2015 at 19:46
Quote Posted by Marbrien
I then renamed thief.exe to TG.exe. FMSel then crashes.
you need to change thief.exe into tg.exe in the shortcut as well. or just edit cam_mod.ini and change ;fm into fm, save and exit, that will enable FMsel permanently.
anyway, pretty sure win8 all by itself is not the culprit - whatever is blocking Thief is.
Marbrien on 13/8/2015 at 20:16
I have now discovered the cause of the "issue".
It is such a long time since I played a fresh install of T1/TG that I had forgotten that the default "use" key is not Enter, but (of all things counterintuitive) Mouse 2. THAT was why nothing in my inventory appeared to work; I wasn't pressing the correct key.
The error, as they say, was located between the keyboard and the seat.
I apologise to anyone who has spent any time on this. At least you'll have one extra thing to suggest the next time someone reports an issue with their T1/TG inventory.
BTW, one small thing. I eventually got the igntforce parameter to work by omitting the space between the hyphen and the parameter, so the image shown in post #73 is probably misleading in that respect.
Sorry once again.
