T1 FM - Calendra's Cistern - Newdark Re-release - 2015-08-08

AntiMatter_16 on 10/8/2015 at 14:48

Quote Posted by Marbrien

I do not have the Dromed toolkit installed.

I do have convict.osm.

I installed the mission not realising I did not have the latest version of New Dark. On starting the game I got the black screen and the message saying I needed the new version. I made no saves. I installed the latest version of TFix (1.22), then restarted the game from scratch, got the lockpick problem. Do I need to uninstall and reinstall the mission?

Well, I just tried the uninstall and reinstall options in FMSel. The lockpick problem is still there.

Installing/Uninstalling a FM just extracts it to a folder in .\FMs, so you shouldn't need to do that. I'm honestly stumped as to what's happening. Unless you're trying to play the mission with Thief2 rather than Thief1/Gold.

I guess all I can recommend is uninstalling Thief1/Gold and reinstalling, and applying TFix again. I'm really not sure what could be going on. Do the original missions and other fan missions work?

[Edit]
Did you install the interactive candles mod? I wonder if it conflicts with my setup. What happens if you install TFix without interactive candles?

Marbrien on 10/8/2015 at 15:04

Quote Posted by AntiMatter_16

I just reran TFix and deselected interactive candles. Got a language check error (which I had before), still unclear what that means. Mission runs as T1 but the lockpick issue still exists.

Original mission you start out without lockpicks. Please suggest another mission I could use as a test.

AntiMatter_16 on 10/8/2015 at 17:18

So far, all I understand about the lockpick issue, is that two doors hilight but don't produce any sound when you click and hold the right mouse button (and I'm presuming the door handle doesn't move). I still don't know which two doors specifically, and I don't know what else works or doesn't work in the mission. Are there any doors that DO work? Such as the back door to the art dealer's house? Could you provide screenshots of the non-working doors?

Any other mission should work to test, so long as it has lockpicks. You first get the lockpicks on the 5th T1 OM.
You could try the original (http://www.thiefmissions.com/m/calendra) olddark version of Calendra's Cistern.
(http://www.thiefmissions.com/m/RiggingTheVotes) Rigging the Votes has lockpicks and a door you have to pick at the very beginning.
The (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144751) Circle of Strain Campaign Newdark Re-release has lockpicks and a few locked doors at the start, and it's treatment was very similar to Calendra's Cistern Newdark re-release.

You mentioned you re-installed TFix, but did you try reinstalling Thief itself? Or did you just re-install TFix on top of itself?

voodoo47 on 10/8/2015 at 17:41

share a save right before the doors in question.

also, no need to deselect the candle mod, it does absolutely nothing unless an orig mission is detected.

//note -the script-t1 included in the archive is the pre-release version, not final.

UmiKaru on 10/8/2015 at 18:12

Does the item outside the map worth 25 loot cannot be removed?

voodoo47 on 10/8/2015 at 19:58

I can't possibly imagine why would you need an answer to that question, but here you go - no.

AntiMatter_16 on 10/8/2015 at 22:13

@UmiKaru
The 25 loot loot outside the world may be involved with the in-game store. I didn't remove it because I didn't want something to break. However, I did correct the loot total, so it is possible to get all loot in the mission.

@Voodoo
I wasn't aware there was a newer version. Link?
Anyhow, it's only used to put the "shutupyerdead" script on the M-KnockedOut metaproperty, so knocking out AIs doesn't alert everyone around them.

voodoo47 on 10/8/2015 at 22:30

they are (http://whoopdedo.org/projects.php?scripts) well hidden (had to talk to google really nicely for a few minutes). TFix already installs the final osm, and makes sure anything that will be launched inside its environment will use it (overriding any previous versions that might be lurking in old FMs). shutupyerdead (and a handful of other things) is autoloaded as well.

UmiKaru on 11/8/2015 at 01:37

@voodoo47: Sorry, I was just wondering.

Marbrien on 11/8/2015 at 10:09

Here is a save game from outside one of the frobable locked doors where the lock picks do nothing:

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/85b59qlwyasvyup/game0000.sav?dl=0) https://www.dropbox.com/s/85b59qlwyasvyup/game0000.sav?dl=0

I am playing CL on Garrett level.

I tried Rigging The Votes - same problem. So I think it is safe to assume the issue will affect all locked frobable items in CL.

My T1 is the Sold Out edition. A while back this gave rise to problems when upgraded via TFix, but TFix has now been updated to deal with that edition.

Let me know if you need any more information.