Gaph on 15/9/2007 at 00:34
Quote Posted by sacolton
... even though she's constantly giving you more and more cyber modules. She rewards you, but wants you dead at the same time. :confused:
She wants to you upgrade so you can kill The Many, a mutual enemy.
Gforce on 17/9/2007 at 07:39
I think SS3 should start on the Von Braun and your just going around it moping up the many when the shuttle arrives. You go to greet them only to find SHODAN is now back in control of the Van Braun and tries to use its faster than light speed drive to get back to Earth or something (maybe you disabled it when they were gone). The HUD should be the same at the beginning but change when you get better technology.
You still end up going somewhere else, just later on.
Open to suggestions:p
Peanuckle on 17/9/2007 at 16:35
Ya know, instead of SHODAN letting goggles get as far as he did, why didn't she just cut off life support after the Many was dead?
demagogue on 17/9/2007 at 17:07
Makes you wonder a little why she didn't cut off life support to kill off the Many in the first place ... I guess Xerxes was in control of stuff like life support. Now I'm forgetting the plot; did she wrest control from Xerxes? She could have done it then.
And as for Goggles ... it may be even simpler. He goes into her virtual world from the Many ... why doesn't she just click that part of herself off and obliterate him then and there?
elkston on 17/9/2007 at 17:24
I like the idea of it taking place on Earth in a quarintined section of the city. You could explore commercial business & homes - getting upgrades and fighting foes. Also you would run across pockets of survivors from time to time whom you could interact with or protect.
demagogue on 17/9/2007 at 20:19
Quote Posted by elkston
I like the idea of it taking place on Earth in a quarintined section of the city. You could explore commercial business & homes - getting upgrades and fighting foes. Also you would run across pockets of survivors from time to time whom you could interact with or protect.
Then the question comes up, just who is the player character? Is he one of the survivors in the quarantined section? Then what makes him special as a survivor? Or did somebody in the gov't or the corporation send him in? And if they can send him in, why not a whole battalion? (I'm not attacking the idea, just asking some questions that will come up.)
The idea has potential, but IMO it needs something a little more than just "quarantined" that keeps people out. That's why I threw out the idea that it was more like the single colony on a newly settled planet. That's how the movie
Aliens handled it. Then it also keeps with the whole "escape with your life motif" rather than trying to salvage the place, or protect it from spreading outwards.
I suppose that could happen in a quarantined city on Earth, too, if the idea is that the powers-that-be have just written the whole city off and they're ready to nuke it ... so you've got a time limit to get to a place you can escape from, and maybe salvage the city so it doesn't have to be nuked after all. As long as they aren't thinking about sending in the marines ... then it turns into a different game.
Kefren on 18/9/2007 at 10:19
Quote Posted by demagogue
Makes you wonder a little why she didn't cut off life support to kill off the Many in the first place ...
The fact that The Many create a biomass on the OUTSIDE of the ship suggests that life support isn't something they are particularly affected by...
;)
catbarf on 18/9/2007 at 10:35
VERY good point. Not only is there no oxygen, but also they're exposed to hard vacuum.
cosmicnut on 18/9/2007 at 11:06
SHODAN needed goggles at the start. She had no control over the ship, all she had managed that far was to send a few emails as her alter ego that got poor gog implanted (as well as programming the design for the rig). It wasn't until late in the game that she got control of Xerces who had been hacked by the many's pawns (I think she got full control when you send the SOS).
Don't forget that its not just the VB. The Rick had different systems and would take further time to hack the rick.
You also have the BOTM which she had no control over. She didn't have time or resources to create anything like the citadel mutants or cyborgs. All she had was control of the VB and YOU!
When she starts to mess around with the FTL system, she doesn't have enough processing ability to recode the universe AND take care of you! She didn't believe that you really posed her a threat. Don't forget, the "hackable" controls were not of her design and the shooting method is quite tough.
In the end you are also walking through SHODANS mind (she was originally built into Citadel as part of the station), you can't "turn off" part of a mind.
The comments from her get worse through the game. There is supposed to be a time limit, time is running out. Also she probably began to realise that she may not have the amount of control over goggles reactions as she would have liked. She must keep helping hi to improve. To defeat the BOTM, but also because, as she says. The more implants he has, the more of "her" is in his system and the less likely it should have been for him to "betray" SHODAN
demagogue on 18/9/2007 at 16:33
Quote Posted by Kefren
The fact that The Many create a biomass on the OUTSIDE of the ship suggests that life support isn't something they are particularly affected by...
;)
My interpretation was always that it had infiltrated into the ship from the outside ... that was the point of all that biomass that had gotten inside. It had to get inside somehow. I thought that it had basically breached a hole in the side of the ship and then grew over it, or maybe not a big one but lots of little holes, or a door, or something that we didn't see as players and wasn't relevant to the story; when Goggles "cleared out" the ship, it just meant to the point of the breach ... so now it's not inside, it's still on the outside, but still leaching off the life support from inside, or still surviving from its previous leaching.
Also, don't forget the main artery which connected the brain of the Many into Shodan's circuitry inside the heart of the ship. Actually, that's the main thing I was thinking about that prompted my comment. I was thinking like this was also like a kind of life-line to the life support systems inside the ship as well, as if the Many had grown into and was feeding directly off of Shodan.
While Goggles was inside the Many, he could still breathe. (... of course, then again, there was gravity inside the Many too, so it's not like this is the most logically airtight story. I'm sure the dev's didn't sweat that much about it; so no reason we should.)
