demagogue on 9/7/2020 at 00:01

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It's looping and changing slightly each "round" at the same time. What you do is you set switches to different parameters that are offset from each other, especially if you offset them by odd numbers. So say every 7 measures X loops, every 13 measures Y loops, every 10 measures Z loops, but the whole thing is still generally looping in a 4/4 kind of chord structure. Then you get the loops shifting on top of each other, and they'll fall in and out of shifting synchs. This is all multiples of 4 because that's all the clock divider had on it, so not so odd; but it sounds good when there are odd divisions.

It is generative, but Orca is basically doing the generation by its internal algorithms, which I also have switching in shifting loops. I may try a more hand-made generation with randomizers, switches, and quantizers. And yes, the wave shape is changing periodically. There are only two voices, a top-end cloud of notes and a bottom-end nasally voice (the one that has its wave shape shifting).

The issue about the melody level (which I realized and tried to work around) is that if I go any higher, especially with the reverb, it'll start clipping. And I can't dissociate the bass drum and hihat, so I lose the hihat if I bring that module's level down. I need to maybe put it through a high pass filter that cuts out some of the low level of the bass but lets the hihat pass.

Edit: And done. I replaced my video with a new version that lowers the level of that kick drum and raises the comparative level of the other voices so you can hear them. Sounds much better, I think.

faetal on 9/7/2020 at 00:47

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Ok, here is my generative attempt:

(https://soundcloud.com/iamimmune/p6-808-generative/s-bEiryRKGcL4)

Used tutorial here: (https://www.macprovideo.com/article/ableton-live/generative-music-in-ableton-live-part-1/)

I adapted it to just trigger an 808 kick and the prophet 6, then fiddled settings until I was happy with it. For note quantization, I used a D Dorian scale, as I just love Dorian mode. Then I added rhythm to the drums using Soundtoys EchoBoy with a saturated ping delay, and added grit with some downsampling in redux.

For the prophet, I dialed in a nice key sound, added some plate reverb and bucket brigade delay from the P6, then added further texture using Soundtoys crystallizer with a lot of feedback and high cut to allow some of the low notes from previous rounds to bleed into the melodies afterwards, creating some nice incidental root note movement.

Tied it all together with Softube TSAR 1 reverb.

Not sure if this really does the generative thing the "proper" way (using clock divisions to generate rhythm and quantization), but without sitting down for hours to learn all that in VCV rack, and sticking to my plan to focus on the P6, it was the best I could manage. I like how it sounds anyway. Probably went overboard with the delay & reverb and would have preferred to have distinct triggers for the keys and kick, but I think I got away with it by varying the delay timings.

Aja - re the ornament & crime - I didn't realise it needed maths background to use. My maths isn't terrible (studied maths for 2 years before university, but am a science guy generally) - is it something which could be useful from a cheat sheet? Could I live with black boxes? If not, then I'll maybe reconsider. And yes, the poly mod on the prophet is one of its key features carried over from the prophet 5 (but more options I think).

Mark Doty covers how cool the POly mod is here: (https://youtu.be/95y0_th74Rg) and here (https://youtu.be/2vtIH7BeDUg) - it does give you the possibility to get some cool analogue FM stuff going on, with Osc1 and/or both LPF & HPF.

faetal on 9/7/2020 at 01:26

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Ah cool. That I can live with.

demagogue on 9/7/2020 at 05:26

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For a Krell patch I'm going to need to figure out how attenuators / attenuverters (or whatever else does the job) contains the pitch signal to within maybe a 2 or 3 octave range. Right now it's got way too many high and low pitch squeals and growls, and a bandpass filter isn't the way to fix it. I want it to proportionally fit the whole output within a specific range, not just cut off the top and bottom.

demagogue on 9/7/2020 at 14:02

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Haha, well you wanted a Krell patch next, so you're getting a Krell patch next. You're welcome. :cool:

[video=youtube;lA2oISzha00]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA2oISzha00[/video]