Bikerdude on 28/6/2025 at 13:49
If value the games you buy, you should sign one of these petitions - SIGN THE EU CITIZENS INITIATIVE: - (
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home)
SIGN THE UK PETITION: - (
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074/)
EU petition is @ 693K- needs to hit 1'000'000
UK petition is @ 52K - needs to hit 100,000
A video from Gamers Nexus on the subject -
[video=youtube;p9ahH6HrtTc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9ahH6HrtTc[/video]
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EU: This initiative calls to require publishers that sell or license videogames to consumers in the European Union (or related features and assets sold for videogames they operate) to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.
Specifically, the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers, before providing reasonable means to continue functioning of said videogames without the involvement from the side of the publisher.
UK: The government should update consumer law to prohibit publishers from disabling video games (and related game assets / features) they have already sold without recourse for customers to retain or repair them. We seek this as a statutory consumer right.
Tomi on 28/6/2025 at 19:23
That's probably a good initiative, but the EU link takes me to a poorly machine translated page that is just painful to read. I can't be bothered with the video, but I'll get back to this later.
However, if you really want to get more people to sign this, a little explanation wouldn't hurt. It could be a good start for a discussion too. :)
Bikerdude on 29/6/2025 at 07:48
Both links are in english, but if you need to change the langauage on the european peition page, there is a change language button at the top right of that page fella.......
I didnt create these petitions, I am merely spreading the word. "I" don't want people to do anything, they should be wanting to do this for themselfs. This is a GAMINING focused forum is it not..?
And regarding the info, I did already link a video for those incapable of reading to watch and listen instead.
Starker on 29/6/2025 at 09:54
Dude, if you're taking this hostile of an attitude to your audience, why bother saying anything at all? You may be just a messenger, but you're a terrible messenger. People like you (and that one famous youtuber who seems to be intent on tanking the initiative) are the reason why the petition has been treading water.
Bikerdude on 29/6/2025 at 14:18
I dont have an audience, nor was I seeking to find one. The issue stated in OP is for and effects everone! Tomi suggested there should be more info, when all the info that was required was in the links. He also stated the link was talking him to a machine translated page, this has to be a problem from his end as the links in the OP are direct from both petition pages.
As for the rest of your comment, I have to assume you in fact dont care about the games you buy, and are content with games publishers and developers shutting down and/or removing a game from your library that you paid for. Foreveryone else that does care, then please see the OP.
Nameless Voice on 29/6/2025 at 16:40
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https://www.stopkillinggames.com/) The Stop Killing Games website explains what the petitions are about and has quite a long FAQ.
The short version is: some games have an online component, and will just stop working when the publishers/developers decide to shut that down, which in turn renders a game that people paid money for entirely broken and unplayable. This happens for both single- and multi-player games.
The petitions are asking governments to look into this and bring in some laws to prevent it - specifically, that such games need to have an end-of-life plan to make the game at least somewhat playable once the servers shut down, be that by taking out the online components, or supplying users with the ability to run their own servers.
If you think about it, they are basically selling someone a product and then later taking away their product without their consent - without even making it clear to buyers that this can happen. That would be highly illegal for any other type of product, but because we've never really solidified laws around digital goods, they can get away with it.
The petition is asking to change that.
Starker on 29/6/2025 at 17:54
Quote Posted by Bikerdude
I dont have an audience, nor was I seeking to find one. The issue stated in OP is for and effects everone! Tomi suggested there should be more info, when all the info that was required was in the links. He also stated the link was talking him to a machine translated page, this has to be a problem from his end as the links in the OP are direct from both petition pages.
As for the rest of your comment, I have to assume you in fact dont care about the games you buy, and are content with games publishers and developers shutting down and/or removing a game from your library that you paid for. Foreveryone else that does care, then please see the OP.
Whenever you are addressing someone, when you write or speak to people, you have an audience. And acting as if you're doing everyone else a favour just by speaking to them rarely comes over well and is, in fact, often counterproductive to what you are trying to achieve by speaking to them.
Also, your assumption is faulty and does not follow from the premises. Me calling you out for being rude and condescending does not therefore mean I want videogames to be destroyed. The one thing has nothing to do with the other. What I'm saying is that people are less inclined to click on your links if you attack people like Tomi when they are being helpful and seek more discussion.
dj_ivocha on 29/6/2025 at 22:08
Quote Posted by Starker
that one famous youtuber who seems to be intent on tanking the initiative
Could you post a link to some relevant video of his?
Starker on 30/6/2025 at 01:17
There's been a lot of videos about the whole issue recently, but here's the most comprehensive one, I think, that recaps most of the history and the current state of the campaign:
[video=youtube;HIfRLujXtUo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIfRLujXtUo&t=1761s[/video]
Ross Scott, most known for being the creator of Freeman's Mind machinima videos, is the author of the video and the main promoter of the initiative, while the guy he's responding to is PirateSoftware AKA Thor who disparaged the initiative and misrepresented it to his millions of followers.
Bikerdude on 1/7/2025 at 07:14
@jd_ivocha
Check the OP.
