snobel on 23/9/2012 at 06:25
You'd better take cover now... :)
Albert on 23/9/2012 at 07:21
Better yet, someone call a doctor. This guy is really ill.
DJ Riff on 23/9/2012 at 09:23
Way to go, judging the game without even playing it. Aesthetics may be a matter of personal preference, but you got the simple facts wrong: There is a physical body model in T1-T2, there is headbobbing, and there is some inertia while moving. The only difference is that in TDS the body needs to accommodate to the set of fixed animations before actually moving according to the input as opposed to the instant reaction in T1-T2. And of course, one can run around in TDS, killing everyone with the dagger as it's overpowered more than the blackjack in T1-T2.
jtr7 on 23/9/2012 at 11:10
Posts like those do nothing to improve disappointed and frustrated feelings over TDS, and only emphasize fan division. Thief 4, I'm afraid, will just be gasoline on the fire, and all the fundamental arguments are highly predictable, and will be regurgitated over and over for decades, creating further division.
Tomi on 23/9/2012 at 11:56
Yeah, and constant grumbling about TDS is the way to go? I think it's actually nice to see read positive thoughts about TDS for a change, even if I don't agree with Seckino's opinion of T1 and T2 at all.
Seckino on 23/9/2012 at 17:13
I'm surprised...I was expecting a blind raging,full barrage of angry shots or something but these replies are just the opposite..calm and civilized..
Forgive me but I'm so used to get bashed on internet..and I'm sure I'm not alone on this matter..
Anyway I really appreciate these collected comments and I mean it..
One thing that I don't get is why my opinions seem so absurd to some of you..I have a friend who thinks Al Pacino is a crap actor..an actor amongst all time "classics" is being misjudged here..so what should I do,treat him like a wierdo??
What I am trying to say is;most of you guys in this forum seem so obsessed with the first two games..they can't stand a single negative view about them..and I think it's because most of them played these games in their "childhood".....reminiscences..being more inclined to admiration,more easily and deeply scared maybe(in a good way)..
The problem is,I didn't played these two in my those "beautiful" times..and I know if I did,I would have been one of you probably..I mean if someone said to me that Silent Hill sucks for instance,I would have busted open a can of whoopass real bad :D
In any case,I still stand up for my thoughts and I don't think these predecessors would satisfy me if I played them..I'd love to,but I just can't...it's about aging matter like I told and I hope you guys would understand it..after all,most of us here has gone down the same road and grew up playing some unforgettable games but can't get back to them in the end..everything is evolving(in a bad way)whether we like or not..
scarykitties on 23/9/2012 at 17:54
If you feel that there is nothing else that redeems Thief 1/2 compared to Thief 3, you must at least admit that the larger, fully-contained levels were a good thing.
Melan on 23/9/2012 at 18:15
This thread is a bit like visiting Verdun on a family vacation, and realising some people are still shooting at each other in the trenches. :angel:
Whatever floats their boats, of course. :cool:
Tomi on 23/9/2012 at 18:33
I guess that the loading zones are something that you don't really pay much attention to when you're watching playthrough videos, you only notice them when you're playing the game yourself.
Seckino, if you really liked TDS that much, I think you should give T1 or T2 a try too! If you can ignore the fact that they don't look that great anymore, there's a pretty fascinating game hidden underneath it, and you're almost guaranteed to find it fun. :) There aren't any other games like Thief (or at least I've never played any!) so they're quite unique in a way. They're pretty cheap nowadays too so you won't lose much even if you don't like them.
You make a good point about the nostalgia, I'm sure that it plays a big role in why many of us prefer the older Thief games. I joined TTLG because I loved Thief 1 and wanted to create missions for it, so it'll always have a special place in my heart, but I like all the games in the series just about equally much. My favourite game of all time is Ultima VII, a game that was released more than 20 years ago. If I played that game for the first time now, I really doubt that it would become my biggest favourite and it might be difficult to get into it because of some of its flaws... but because I played the game all those years ago and I associate it with some happy memories, I can ignore those flaws and just enjoy the game as it is. Does that even make any sense? :p
Seckino on 23/9/2012 at 21:41
scarykitties ;
Yes you're right and I admit it :)
Actually I played a T3 FM called "The Bridge" sometime ago and it had that large,complex areas without loading zones like you mentioned..I think it was inspired from TMA levels so I got your point..
Tomi ;
Of course it makes sense,totally.. :thumb:
Since our opinions seem exactly the same,I can't add anything much to your words in that subject..so all I gotta say is thank you for your concern and suggestions..I'll maybe consider playing them again..tough I'm curious about something; are T1&T2 suitable for slow playing?like moving on your toes all the time just like in TDS? because I've watched several different players to make sure "running into the guards and BJing them in the face" is not the only way of playing them but every guy I watched was kinda playing like that(they were experienced BTW)..it seemed to me that enemies don't alert at all unless you bump into them,which is a little stupid(sorry)..and even if they draw their weapons,they can still be knocked out with one hit..please correct me if I'm wrong on these..
You said you've never played anything like Thief before..if FPS and medieval concept isn't a must for you;then I would surely recommend Hitman series but I doubt you missed that one..I mean they are legends amongst stealth-action games and I suppose you and most of the guys here already played them..
Anyway thanks again mate..
