inselaffe on 25/6/2011 at 23:45
Randomly, did the "death animation does not play if loading a save or entering a new zone" fix ever get released?
I can only find threads talking about it, and even that was hard enough.
zachary1975 on 26/6/2011 at 01:16
Quote Posted by theBlackman
You still have not said in detail WHY you like it. That is and was the question whether you agree in part or not.
On the other hand if it is that bad (para three) What makes it better in your opinion?
You say you defend it, like it better than the previous issues, agree that it has major faults, yet have not defined why you like it better....
I'm waiting.
I can detail why I find it a poor THIEF game. To wit: They attempted to expand the interest by dumbing it down and porting it. The simple introduction of TDP was expanded to a I'll hold your hand and make sure you get through the intro with no need to actually learn your skills. They made the loot and other objectives extremely easy (secret switches and loot etc.) Were made the size of table tops so the player need not LOOK to find them or so enhanced with Bloom as to make them impossible to miss. The need to develop a skill in sneaking or in the use of the bow were discarded. The player could stumble around like a horse galloping through and make enough noise that only a stone statue would hear. The streaking arrow tracks showed you how far under or over you shot and make it un-necessary for the player to actually develop an eye. The "be invisible" trick of backing to a wall and hitting a button reduced the discovery threat to the player of no meaning. Forget hiding in shadows. Go into an area with light as bright as day, back up to a wall, hit a button and you are invisible to a guard six inches from you.
I could go on but as a THIEF sequel TDS subverted every thing that initially made THIEF THIEF.
TDS is not a bad game. But it is an exceptionally bad THIEF.
i like TDS because; one, the graphics are better or at least in my opinion. two, it's easier to ghost although i know that alot of you dislike TDS because of that. three, i don't have to look at a loot list to know when i have obtained all the loot. four, people don't go straight through the wall after they've been knocked out. five, the way that gas and fire arrows don't go up after getting released. six, because i like all the originals and most fan missions in general.
there, are you satisfied?:mad::grr:
theBlackman on 26/6/2011 at 02:28
Quote Posted by zachary1975
i like TDS because; one, the graphics are better or at least in my opinion. two, it's easier to ghost although i know that alot of you dislike TDS because of that. three, i don't have to look at a loot list to know when i have obtained all the loot. four, people don't go straight through the wall after they've been knocked out. five, the way that gas and fire arrows don't go up after getting released. six, because i like all the originals and most fan missions in general.
there, are you satisfied.:mad::grr:
It's Easy.
You don't have to make any effort to learn to play the game. It is all given to you on a platter.
Minor engine fault.
Arrows (that you don't understand the mechanics of) don't go Up?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah
You just proved what I was saying all along.
You want INSTANT satisfaction without working for it.
You can't
Play the game. It's too hard.
You don't understand THIEF or the world of Garrett.
If it's 'Original" you like it? The "original" games/missions even with the not so good graphics of the time are far superior to TDS.
If, and I hope not, you are over eighteen years old age and out in the world on your own, humanity is in deep shit.
zachary1975 on 26/6/2011 at 03:11
Quote Posted by theBlackman
Graphics.
It's Easy.
You don't have to make any effort to learn to play the game. It is all given to you on a platter.
Minor engine fault.
Arrows (that you don't understand the mechanics of) don't go Up?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah
You just proved what I was saying all along.
You want INSTANT satisfaction without working for it.
You can't
Play the game. It's too hard.
You don't understand THIEF or the world of Garrett.
If it's 'Original" you like it? The "original" games/missions even with the not so good graphics of the time are far superior to TDS.
If, and I hope not, you are over eighteen years old age and out in the world on your own, humanity is in deep shit.
try playing mission x on impossible or maybe finding out that i play all missions on expert difficulty might slightly change your opinion of me. i never noticed anything that bad about the graphics.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
theBlackman on 26/6/2011 at 03:43
Quote Posted by zachary1975
i never noticed anything that bad about the graphics.
Quote Posted by zachary1975
i like TDS because; one, the graphics are better or at least in my opinion.
You continue to prove that your memory is faulty. You are ignorant enough to not see that you can be quoted from every post you make.
If your arguments (and I am generous in calling your feeble comebacks arguments) were more than a failing defense of your own contradictions I might have a different opinion of you, but you just keep going around in circles.
You say "this" then turn around and deny it or change your stance to say, "no it's that" not "This"
As for EXPERT, you are ten or more years behind those who have been playing that way and even invented more difficult ways to play. Your posts label you more of a dilettante than a pro, and impress more as those of a person who has not reached their teenage years.
Be as mad as you like. It would help more if you were rational.
zachary1975 on 26/6/2011 at 04:10
Quote Posted by theBlackman
You continue to prove that your memory is faulty. You are ignorant enough to not see that you can be quoted from every post you make.
If your arguments (and I am generous in calling your feeble comebacks arguments) were more than a failing defense of your own contradictions I might have a different opinion of you, but you just keep going around in circles.
You say "this" then turn around and deny it or change your stance to say, "no it's that" not "This"
As for EXPERT, you are ten or more years behind those who have been playing that way and even invented more difficult ways to play. Your posts label you more of a dilettante than a pro, and impress more as those of a person who has not reached their teenage years.
Be as mad as you like. It would help more if you were rational.
not every post, just check out the new thief tech or whatever it's called. i have to reached my teenage years.:p
Koki on 26/6/2011 at 08:10
This thread is a true stand up
[spoiler]Stand up comedy that is[/spoiler]
van HellSing on 26/6/2011 at 10:22
I'd just like to say that Deadly Shadows is both a good game and a good Thief game. Sure, it has its flaws. But none of these flaws justify the amount of vitriol spewed at it. Said vitriol is the main reason I don't really visit here anymore.
jtr7 on 26/6/2011 at 10:25
It's more about the defenders boggling minds than the software itself, as well as the very real frustrated efforts to have fun while the app is running. All the fans of TDS who rank it highest are not half as endeared to the game, for reasons unknown, as the fans of TDP and/or TMA. The utter lack of inspiration and fandom and fan-projects speaks volumes about how meaningful it is as a Thief game, with 2D drawings/paintings as the most common fan tribute. I would very much like to see more love for the game as a whole from even the greatest fans of it. There's little drive to show the game off to the world through the eyes of wonderment and fascination, and the biggest push for T4 are things that aren't Thief-based, but may be found in several other series. The fact that people who aren't big fans have done more fan-like work than the biggest proponents is bizarre. TDS's greatest fans and champions spend more time battling futilely against the frustrations and disappointments piled up in others' memory and experience and personal history they cannot possibly overcome rather than coming together and sharing their joy, and providing insight into how special it is. The biggest TDS fans make it very hard to see the hidden value behind the subjective fun-frustrating elements, and they have no idea how much I myself want to read posts that don't backfire. Thankfully a few taffers have managed to bridge the gap, and I applaud them and stand behind those taffers, but of course, they are quiet posters in general, and uncomfortably few in number, so their refreshing and welcome thoughts are rare, though not utterly absent.
Seckino on 22/9/2012 at 22:48
First things first: English is not my native language,but I'll try my best..
From time to time;I find myself visiting this topic back,get irritated and then leave it as it is without posting(since some folks here can't stand topic resurrection it seems)but I think I won't be able to pull myself back anymore..
First of all,I've been a hardcore pc gamer since the beginning of 90' s and played a lot of classics;finished them so I wouldn't care about insults like "just another newbie/clueless about the games" one bit..
It was about 5 or 6 years ago when I discovered Thief : Deadly Shadows..played it,finished it numerous times,then decided to search for the older ones..I looked up on youtube LP's to hold an opinion before actually buying them and........how fortune for me that I did it..the only "decent" aspects of those two games were their story and cutscenes..nothing more..Hell,I won't even try to explain TDS's superiorities..watching those TDP and TMA playthroughs was like watching Halflife or something..I've never been a supporter of graphic quality at all but they are just crap......and it's not only graphics..gameplay design is also very bad..a robot running around,knocking everyone out and running and running v.s...and people here bitching about loot glint and arrow trails??is this serious??these people don't have a clue what they are talking about and I'm sure they consider themselves as elite gamers...pffff....the world is indeed going into a shithole and new generation is totally corrupted no doubt about it but sometimes my own generation also surprises me and I think it's really sad..you know there was a game called Clock Tower..even that game had better atmosphere/ambience despite having even worse visual quality..so explanations like "capabilities were limited at those times" can't be an excuse..those who played it would know what I'm talking about..anyway there is much more to say actually but I won't bother..
If the topic owner is still around and reading this: I'm with you my friend and I absolutely think TDS is the only decent game in this series(which is sad)..even Shalebridge Cradle alone can easily beat the whole TDP+TMA by miles...feeling,sounds,music,name it..if only the other two had similar stuff like that and also city-play plus some goddamn realistic gameplay features(yes..bodyawareness,headbob while running instead of being a robot for example),I would've surely loved them since they have better story in my opinion..especially TDP..watching the cutscenes were like watching a movie..damn..what a pity...
