242 on 4/8/2008 at 10:53
Quote Posted by BR796164
Energetic, ecological and ergonomic reasons can be secondary only to clueless consumers.
You greatly exaggerate advantages of LCDs in those fields. Energetic/Ergonomic - it may seem very strange, but 17" CRT consumes only about 100 Watt (just checked documentation for my monitor - 96W), like one electric bulb, modern video card alone consumes 2-3 times more. Ecological - if only recycling, modern CRTs are totally harmless for human, electromagnetic fields from other consumer electronics (f.e. power bricks) are stronger than CRT forms. I know some people think that CRT emits radioactive rays that of course is a total bullshit. Actual advantages of LCD are physical size, weight, and ideal "geometry" of picture - without distortion, that's all.
Rogue Keeper on 4/8/2008 at 11:12
Any effort to reduce power consuption and EM radiation of consumer electronics a good thing. That's the wider rational perspective and "oh this pictar looks betta on CRT than LCD" should go aside in the light of other factors. As you can see, for most of the world it did. Perhaps in time we develop screens with great picture, not energetically demanding and health threatening, which can be also accessible to general public, but until then the dices are thrown. There are compromises between progress in personal comfort, progress in health protection and progress in sustainability. This is the status quo of that progress. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it won't help you anyhow.
Renzatic on 4/8/2008 at 16:35
If, for some odd out-of-the-blue reason, I'm ever called to do a dissertation on the inherent advantages and disadvantages of LCD displays vs. CRT, the numbers people will be the first listed in my bibliography. Yall got yalls eco-ergonomics on.
Anyway, I find these arguments to be a little too academic for their own good. You could bring up contrast stability, true black, and whatnot all you want. In real world application, the differences between a CRT and a good LCD are only barely noticeable. Even then, those differences are usually only a concern amongst the high end graphics design crowd.
I've played STALKER with the darker night mods, I've played Thief, and I've played Doom 3 (well known as being the darkest game ever) on both a CRT and an LCD. The only time I ever notice my LCD isn't capable of displaying the blackest blacks is when I have my blank screensaver running. Otherwise, the differences are negligible.
Jashin on 4/8/2008 at 21:41
Why did you ppl hijack a thread asking for help to discuss LCD?
Rogue Keeper on 5/8/2008 at 07:14
Shit happens. :cheeky:
Matthew on 5/8/2008 at 09:39
Quote Posted by Jashin
Why did you ppl hijack a thread asking for help to discuss LCD?
Welcome to TTLG. Threads often take a life of their own here, you might have noticed.
michaelg on 5/8/2008 at 23:53
Quote Posted by Jashin
Why did you ppl hijack a thread asking for help to discuss LCD?
Haha. I should have known this would happen. I ask for help and a heated discussion evolves on the merits of LCD vrs. CRT. Personally the only reason I went with an LCD is because I recently moved and don't have the space for a bulky CRT. I too don't see all that much difference between the two.
Buy hey, this is TTLG. If I were to say the sky is blue, there would be a lengthy dissertation on whether is really is or not.
I still haven't reinstalled Stalker because of working 12 hr. days lately and tired, but think I'm going to give it shot tonite. I'll let you know 242, but not real confident it's going to work. Tried to install Fear and the same thing happened.
Volitions Advocate on 6/8/2008 at 02:00
I skipped over most of the thread since it got hijacked so i dont know if this is an issue for you or not..
How old is your computer? Have you given it a really good cleaning lately? My last computer randomly out of the blue had this same problem and it was just because it got too hot. I got out the dust-off and actually detached the heat sink from my proc and blew all the dustmites out of it thorougly which isn't easy to do while its attached to the mobo. Then gingerly and carefully clean off the proc and the bottom of th eheat sink and reapply some thermal paste. Most of the time hard restarts /shutdowns are a direct result of heat problems, in my experience in any case.
michaelg on 6/8/2008 at 02:51
Quote Posted by Volitions Advocate
I skipped over most of the thread since it got hijacked so i dont know if this is an issue for you or not..
How old is your computer? Have you given it a really good cleaning lately? My last computer randomly out of the blue had this same problem and it was just because it got too hot. I got out the dust-off and actually detached the heat sink from my proc and blew all the dustmites out of it thorougly which isn't easy to do while its attached to the mobo. Then gingerly and carefully clean off the proc and the bottom of th eheat sink and reapply some thermal paste. Most of the time hard restarts /shutdowns are a direct result of heat problems, in my experience in any case.
The comp
is old. Around 5 years, but I keep it pretty clean. I noticed the other day that after running Gothic 2 and Advent Rising (the most graphic intensive games I can play right now), that the processor was running at around 70 C and the system around 47 or 48 C. That's not to high is it? I don't know much about this stuff. I suppose it could be the GPU. I'm hesitant to reinstall Windows but I may give that a shot if I can't figure this out soon.
I've never actually cleaned around the processor or taken the heat sink out. I'm afraid I'll fuck something up if I do that. Think it's worth a shot?
Either way, thanks for the advice.
242. Reinstalling Stalker now and trying your advice.
242 on 8/11/2008 at 11:29
Just bought second-hand legendary NEC FE791SB 17" CRT monitor (aperture grill "Diamondtron M2" tube) in excellent condition just in case my Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 740SB (the same tube, and essentially the same monitor) will die.
Comparable picture quality I saw only on 700-800+ USD LCD monitors like NEC 20WGX2 Pro. And even they are still worse because of blacks and speed.
Excellent alternative for people who need to watch videos/movies, work with graphics, or play dark/dynamic games in their full glory, and who don't want to pay 700 bucks for a decent LCD monitor for the purposes. Excellent second-hand aperture grill CRT monitors are dirty cheap now.
