Adam Nuhfer on 16/2/2013 at 00:36

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As a huge fan of SS2 { still my favorite game of all time} I say to all of you whom have worked to keep this game alive by way of this web site, forums, mods or what ever your contribution to keeping System Shock 2 alive and running, THANK YOU!

With out getting into the politics of GOG/Others giving credit where credit is deserved, I see this as a plus. They got the digital distribution rights to the game and have breathed new life into a game that was going by the way side. Even hard core fans can only keep something going for so long. This will garner attention towards the System Shock franchise to a new generation of gamers.

With enough attention perhaps, dare I say it, yes I will {another post mentioned this} System Shock 3.

I'm sure EA will be watching the numbers.

Potential WIN---WIN.

:D

Goldmoon Dawn on 16/2/2013 at 02:10

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lol

Welcome to TTLG new bloods.

This has long been a place of deeply rooted cynicism, both justifiable and outright fake. Regardless, Thief was one the first games to release such a powerful and complex editor, thus you have a worldwide group of rabid Thief fans who have been tirelessly working with this engine for over a decade now. The Thief fans are the only ones that I can readily think of that have managed to sustain the spirit of a series of video games with such vigor, eloquence, and determination to "not let the dream die". Look at Dark Mod for a glaring example, as well as T2X and several other major fan offerings, also mentioning the myriad Fan Missions and updates. I myself dont use gog or any online platform, but when it comes to SS2 I own 5 copies and Im sure that I have more stashed away at family/friends homes. Hell, over the years Ive given away at least 10 copies! The point Im making is that everyone here needs to buy (http://www.gog.com/gamecard/might_and_magic_6_limited_edition) this, go straight to part VI and see what youve been missing your whole lives. :)

Goldmoon Dawn on 16/2/2013 at 07:17

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I agree with the World of Xeen thing. It was unprecedented at the time in crpg. You played through Might and Magic IV, then by the time you actually finished it, Might and Magic V came out. When you booted up V, if you had both games installed at the same time, which of course you did, secret quests revealed themselves that allowed you to travel back and forth between the games. And so we fans drooled all over Darkside of Xeen. Another testament to the high standards the classic games held themselves to as they strived to climb higher and higher. Then again, back in those days, they didnt have the fans basically telling them every step of the way what the game should be. They crafted something classic, and pure, then they delivered the goods.

System Shock I is hands down one of the best games from the classic crpg era, even though it was one of the last. It is certainly one of my personal favorites. These guys were determined from the start with Underworld to take the classic 2d rpg atmospheres and bring them to life, which they ultimately achieved to profound effect with Thief: The Dark Project. As you know, the Might and Magic series always changed the focus at the end of its games to include robots and cool sci-fi atmoshperes, a concept that Ultima and Wizardry dabbled with as well. What drew me to System Shock was that it seemed to promise an expansion of that concept. I got way more than I bargained for. System Shock was the game that not only brought an exciting new environment completely to life, it also redefined what a crpg could be, with a well crafted story that was integrated into the gameplay like never before in a 1st person crpg.

Enchantermon on 16/2/2013 at 14:17

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Thiev and TheEnigmaticT, thank you for the statement.


It doesn't really matter that you don't know who made NewDark, all you do know (at least reportedly :sly:) is that it wasn't you. So giving credit for it should be a no-brainer. Even if you credit it to Le Corbeau or to "the unknown hackers" or something, the fact remains that you made an effort to acknowledge that you used someone else's work, and that's what counts in my book.
And of course there should be credit given where it is due for everything else, as well.

I think a note on the gamecard is reasonable. The thread somehow feels a little over-the-top, but I don't think anyone would really turn it down.

That's going too far. Correct me if I'm wrong guys, but I don't think anybody is upset that you used the mods, just that you didn't credit anyone. These mods were made to be used and enjoyed by the community, and I believe that you are included there. Going a step backwards, toward instability, is a mistake. And anyway, it would likely be a nightmare. I remember the days before SS2Tool, where I had a laundry list of things I had to do to a new install of SS2 before it would be running properly. Most, if not all, of those items were small fixes that were, one at a time, discovered by members here and on systemshock.org and disseminated. To suggest that you should go back to square one and figure it all out for yourselves is silly and counterproductive.

Thank you again for the response and the suggestions! And thank you for the parts that you both played in bringing this game to the masses once more; it makes me incredibly excited to see it legally available again. :)

Oh my. Presumably that's just a stock EULA, but nonetheless, it's pretty upsetting.

Simplex on 16/2/2013 at 18:16

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If I am not mistaken, they disabled the intro movie by adding "skip_intro" to cam.cfg.