Captain Spandex on 30/3/2013 at 01:41
Quote Posted by dethtoll
It's not 1998. Tomb Raider isn't "well-known" anymore.
No, but it is 2013. We're less than a decade removed from the last Tomb Raider film, which grossed $156 million at the box office. The same year LOTR: Return of the King was released.
Would your argument be that the public has forgotten all about the Lord of the Rings series by now?
june gloom on 30/3/2013 at 02:05
Google "false equivalence."
LOTR has maintained some form of life through the proliferation of a million god damn reheated memes. I never want to see Boromir talking about why a trip to Walmart at 4am is impossible or Gollum talking about his love for skittles ever again. And yet I will, because the internet has the collective sophistication of the average Family Guy fan. The same applies to Star Wars, Harry Potter and friggin' My Little Pony. LOTR has more or less weaved itself into the fabric of nerdery to the point where it's no longer nerdy to like LOTR.
Tomb Raider, meanwhile, has sat forgotten, with crap movies seen by comparatively fewer than LOTR (Return of the King, incidentally, earned $1.2 BILLION) and a game franchise that got increasingly wobbly in quality after the third or fourth one.
SubJeff on 30/3/2013 at 02:13
What's wrong with Family Guy!??
Captain Spandex on 30/3/2013 at 04:26
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Google "false equivalence."
Google 'argumentative misdirection'.
The last 'proper' Tomb Raider game, prior to the reboot, is from 2008. (Not even taking into account side-releases such as 'The Guardian of Light') It sold 2 million units and some change. Only about a million fewer than the current reboot.
Would your argument be that 1 million units is the difference between a franchise remaining 'in the public consciousness'... and spontaneously disappearing from relevance?
Your argument is pure pedantry.
They spent 100 million - an amount equal to the game's development budget - marketing a series to a game audience that never forgot about it. It's waste. No wonder Yoichi Wada stepped down.
june gloom on 30/3/2013 at 04:51
Quote Posted by Captain Spandex
Google 'argumentative misdirection'.
Oh don't even try. You made a stupid comparison, I called you out on it. Admit it was a stupid comparison and move on ffs.
Tomb Raider's not some obscure franchise, sure. But it just does not have the cultural cachet it did in the late 1990s. Sure, everyone knows Tomb Raider -- that's that big tits game for the Playstation 1, right? Tomb Raider simply has not been relevant in many, many years. A new game comes out, it gets some media buzz for all of five minutes and then everyone just moves on to the next game. TR Underworld sold a lot of units in 2008, sure. So did GTA IV, Call of Duty World at War and Gears of War 2. And Super Smash Bros. Brawl. All of which sold 2 million units or more. People still talk about GTA and Call of Duty. Not a whole lot of people were talking about Tomb Raider... until the trailer for the reboot came out last year. And then they were all talking about the implied rape scene and not the fact that there was a new Tomb Raider game. Add that to the fact that Tomb Raider's one lasting legacy has been Lara's tits and you can probably see why the series hasn't exactly been the most popular series ever.
So there you go. You wanna know why they spent so much money on advertising? Because they were covering their ass from that PR foul-up and a few more besides.
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
What's wrong with Family Guy!??
Worst show on television? Horrendously offensive and criminally unfunny? The cancer that is killing animated sitcoms? It's a shit show, alright?
Goldmoon Dawn on 30/3/2013 at 05:07
Quote Posted by Vae
Yes, that is the true enemy...yet, not the poor soul itself.
'Tis of no consequence. Whence he hath crumbled beneath the weight of the trials that shape a man, he needst only return to the Cloister for a proper cleansing, no?!
:ebil:
lolhahaha on 4/4/2013 at 23:09
Quote Posted by HSM
This is the guy they brought in as the new producer (oh, something went awry, it did). The one that supposedly finally helped them "find
focus"...
"We want you to play [Thief] as a thief, but we don't want to force you to play [Thief] as a thief."
Haha, this is all I need to read to know that this game will be complete crap. Who wants to play a thief game where you'd feel like a complete moron sneaking around when you could just do it all blazing and blasting in 1/5th the time? Sounds like more easy mode rather than design a Thief game that would live up to the Thief name. Get stuck somewhere and instead of trying to figure it out just break out the handy Thiefonator 2000 and blaze through any sticky situation, sounds like fun, or not.
Sure the game is called
THIEF !!!, but we don't want you to actually have to do it that way. It's like if they gave you the option to have automatic weapons in a Baldur's Gate type RPG in order to keep the FPS crowd happy. I'm sure that'd go over well.
If these guys ever got ahold of a Flight Simulator program it would surely have an Alien Invasion going on while you were trying to "simulate" landing an airplane, just to give those who don't even like Flight Simulators a chance to play it for 5 minutes too.
taffersshadow on 5/4/2013 at 00:17
Ditto.
This is why I did not play Dishonored: "You can play how you wanna play!"
Not interested.
jay pettitt on 6/4/2013 at 08:48
Saturday Soap Box over at Eurogamer: (
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-04-06-the-high-cost-of-high-standards) The High Cost of High Standards
Quote:
According to Square-Enix, Tomb Raider had a disappointing launch. Tomb Raider sold 3.4 million copes in its first month. These two sentences don't belong in the same universe, never mind the same paragraph... Everyone wants to have the next GTA or Assassin's Creed 3 or Call of Duty, but the simple fact is that most can't. Their sales are outliers, not sane targets.
Meow.
