Renzatic on 27/3/2013 at 20:46

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I can understand if they do, in fact, change tons, but like you said, there's still plenty of room for improvement while still adhering to the core of Thief.

We've all been playing Thief for 13 years now. We have three sequels, a spinoff in TDM, and a decades worth of quality FMs to fall back on with more on the way. In my opinion, if you want classic Thief, you've got enough to last you a lifetime.

This is why I welcome a good bit of change to the series. We've got more than enough Thief as per the old definition. I think it's time someone takes the central ideas of what makes Thief Thief and experiments with them a bit. As long as they're not trying to make a linear action game out of the series that only plays lip services to the old titles (and from what we've heard, they're not), then I say go to town. If it's 98% sneaking based in non linear environments with multiple ways to approach an objective and atmosphere you can cut with a knife, then I'm good. If it ends up sucking (either to us or in general), I've still got FMs I've yet to play that'll give me my Thief fix and then some.

Experimentation? Sure! Heap it on!

Renzatic on 27/3/2013 at 21:21

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But you kind of are assuming the worst, Vae. You see that they experimented with some Assassians Creed style gameplay, and immediately think they don't want to make a Thief game, but they're pigeonholed into making one becuase they chose that name.

...like that would stop them from making Assassians Creed V with Thief characters if that's what they wanted to do.

The way I see it, I don't want New Thief to be Assassians Creed. But I could see a Thief game incorporating some of that game's better elements into Thief's core. I don't want it to be Mirror's Edge, either. But...same thing. Experimenting with other gameplay features isn't detrimental to what Thief is. If it's done well, then they've expanded and improved upon that core, maybe in ways you couldn't have imagined previously. If it's done badly, then...hey, they're dumb. But just because they are stretching their wings a bit and looking at some modern titles for inspiration doesn't mean they don't "get" Thief. They just don't want to make Thief 2.5.

jtr7 on 27/3/2013 at 22:49

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What you aren't understanding is the desire to head-off the worst, as well as the worse, and the lesser evils, as much as possible, not assumption and resignation that it's already here, even though modern gaming shows us it is here, it is a selling point, it is a driving motive, whether it gets toned down in Thief or not. When a hardcore gamer who plays modern games doesn't want to see common modern gaming design philosophy getting put into a Thief game, the perspective they have isn't anything you keep assuming hyperbolically. If you understood the truth of it, you'd relax a bit. Somewhat. But I dunno.

We aren't on the team, so we do have to be assertive, especially to punch through the noise of misunderstanding. We don't want an expansion pack, and we've been hearing that form your chosen camp for several years, now. It never began to touch on the truth, and it won't change anything now, but it is a convenient distraction, 'cause it's apparently the remaining salvo you got.

SubJeff on 27/3/2013 at 22:55

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oh shi

jtr7 on 27/3/2013 at 23:31

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The attitude is written into the DNA, by this point. Matter-of-fact statements are read as with many exclamation points and hysteria, and common figures of speech are taken literally. :sweat: