Fred Chook on 25/7/2003 at 06:49

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This is the last time I say this before I start crackin' heads.

Were you paying attention AT ALL? The INTERNET. Bob Page's internet connection! THAT'S THE ONLY FRIGGIN' THING THAT GETS DESTROYED IN THE NEW DARK AGE ENDING! The only reason it's called the New Dark Age is that Tong envisions a world without global communications as a world of city-states rather than world-spanning evil empires! Jesusfreaks, but you are a moron.

Rogue Keeper on 25/7/2003 at 07:30

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The social aspects of the DARK AGE have been already discussed and I will be a bit malicious now: :devil:

All you folks who decide to merge with Helios are chickens, because all you have to do is
push two buttons in the same room, log into computer, then go back to the aquinas hub.
No running through respawning karkians and greasels, dealing with troops in the coolant system, no reactor override in dangerous radiation.


There, chickens.:ebil:

Rogue Keeper on 25/7/2003 at 14:07

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... unless a new hero liberates the world from your tyrrany, yeah.:cheeky:


:idea: [SPOILER]Alex Denton ?[/SPOILER]

Loké on 25/7/2003 at 14:47

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Hopefully. That's the only reason I posted that stupid remark. Tong makes it quite clear that it only FUBARs global communications and a few other 'minor' things in game.

chris the cynic on 25/7/2003 at 18:55

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Ok, this is the last warning, next person to say something stupid like this gets smacked. Sorry guy, I'm sure you're not stupid, but what you said is.

Lets see, credits are part of a “purely electronic economy” as Anna Navarre put it.

Remember the game? Yes the game, that thing that had words and meaning in it. If you had paied attention to the words and meaning you might have noticed this:
ClinicSecretary We accept all forms of digital cash. Please have your card ready.
Doctor2 Very well, but do remember that we accept all forms of digital cash.
You pay in credits

MarketVaceShop I accept international electronic currency.
Remember that the only currency used anywhere in Hong Kong is credits.

How about the fact that the powergrid is controlled by the Internet? That have any effect? Global power outage, global communications gone, global currency useless. Of course it wont be a dark age, whenever communications and the economy fail it's bright happy and cheery.

Of course they can put the power back up, but if they already had it controlled exclusively by computer then there will be the problem of those computers not working, the power stations not working together. I'm from Maine and I remember that we had an ice storm here, which caused small power fluctuations in 1998, and those transformers explode like bombs. It just goes boom, boom, boom all throughout the place. That's fluctuations caused by a storm with some ice much larger fluctuations could be caused by a lack of information on what other plants feeding power to the same grid are doing.

Then there's the shipping problem. As you would know if you paid attention to the game truckers are already on strike all over, entire continents have degraded to riots, and the police forces there can't handle it. So the lack of communications will make it so that no outside support can come in to try to control the rioting. What does this have to do with shipping? It's simple, the rioters are mostly the starving under class, do you think they're just going to let the food trucks go to the rich people and the stores?

So even if truckers keep going despite the fact that they wont get paid (economy crash) their supplies won't make it to the destination. Assuming they live through that do you think that they're just going to do it all over again? And if they don't (live/make it back) how are the people who don't get their food supposed to call in and ask for more?

People will have to move onto fertile soil (that being stuff other than asphalt and concrete) which they will find outside of the cities, because at this point if they don't grow the food they aren't getting the food.

Then we have the creation of new things like say cars, and computers, and all of that fun stuff. How are people going to do it? they don't just magically appear, they are created by machines, run by computer, most likely controlled by the Internet. Why most likely controlled by the Internet? Because that would speed up the process, after all why have a factory capable of creating multiple things via automation run by people when you could have the entire thing run by computers which are told online what to make and how to make it. The entire thing can be done by a program hooked into the sales records, it finds out how much of what needs to be made transmits appropriate instructions and schematics to the machines, and it happens.

Then again maybe not, maybe the information is all stored on a hard drive there, it doesn't matter. Without currency and shipping it wouldn't be worth it to make the stuff.

Everything can be built back up, but that takes time, and until it is restored there is ... a dark age.