Aranolorion on 20/7/2003 at 16:34
dance party is pretty funny.
The King of Style on 21/7/2003 at 23:46
Is there any way to get to the dance party besides the cheat code? It'd be awesome if there were but I'm not aware of any.
rachel on 22/7/2003 at 08:05
Well yes, you can also open it through UnrealEd, but I don't think that's the answer you expected...;)
Rogue Keeper on 23/7/2003 at 08:29
A DARK AGE, of course!
Because... it's the most difficult ending to achieve, but most revarding with the final animation and music.
...and with the inner feeling.:D
Lytha on 23/7/2003 at 21:58
There is one major point against the Helios ending, for all those who think that JC <small>(or themselves?)</small> would be a good almighty being. That's not JC. That's some crazy hybrid.
Even if you had planned to wipe out those (illuminati) scums afterwards, it might be that the Daedalus component would stop you from doing that. And Ikarus had clearly his own agenda, so maybe he just wanted some hands for his evil ideas. And maybe the only thing that will remain of JC is his psychotic way of mass-murdering (depending on how you played the game, I mean.) :p
"Benevolent dictatorship." Bah. A dictator is a dictator, no matter if he's "benevolent" or a psychopath.
<small>I predict though that DX2 will be based on the Helios ending. </small>
Rogue Keeper on 24/7/2003 at 07:14
Putting my DARK AGE preference aside for a moment, I think Helios had some good points - humans are not able to effectively rule themselves, because there always will be some conflict of individual opinions, individual whims leading them to think more on their own comfortability than on the happiness of the others.
As the ending quote says, if there is no God, then it's necessary to invent him.
A God from the machine, in this case.
Anyways, it would be interesting if JC/Helios entity has turned out to be a badass in DX2.:D
PCommish on 24/7/2003 at 22:16
I chose the Helios ending my first time through, and I still feel that it's the best ending. But, at the time I really didn't like any of the choices presented to me. I'm dead against the Illuminati ending because like it has been said you've just changed names around. I mean you didn't spend all that time fighting the conspiracies and secret organizations that rule the world to join one yourself. It seemed against the whole point of the fighting. Plus, I don't trust Morgan Everett at all. I hate that guy so much. He makes you go find gold for him. He keeps his "friend" locked behind his bathroom just for his knowledge. He yells at you for going down to the metro station. And his pitiful security can end up killing Jock. I think he's just a power hungry prick like Paige.
I also didn't like the Dark Ages ending because I don't think it would change anything. You've only turned back the clock a bit. This ending also seems like a waste in that sense. Everything will more than likely just end up right where it is.
The Helios ending I also didn't originally like. I didn't like the idea of merging with an AI. But, it seemed like it was the best way to effect change. Yeah, JC has to give up some control to the AI. But, the three of them could be able to truly improve the wrongs in the world. It is a god from a machine as was mentioned earlier. It has access to all information and to all electronic systems. It would know what's best for everyone and would do it. Yeah, it's a dictatorship. But, the dictator seems more than up to the task.
chris the cynic on 25/7/2003 at 00:11
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Originally posted by Lytha There is one major point against the Helios ending, for all those who think that JC <small>(or themselves?)</small> would be a good almighty being. That's not JC. That's some crazy hybrid.
Even if you had planned to wipe out those (illuminati) scums afterwards, it might be that the Daedalus component would stop you from doing that. And Ikarus had clearly his own agenda, so maybe he just wanted some hands for his evil ideas. And maybe the only thing that will remain of JC is his psychotic way of mass-murdering (depending on how you played the game, I mean.) :p
"Benevolent dictatorship." Bah. A dictator is a dictator, no matter if he's "benevolent" or a psychopath.
<small>I predict though that DX2 will be based on the Helios ending. </small> In fact there have been benevolent dictators. The word tyrant comes from a time when the dictators were often great people who you would keep in power indefinitely if you were able to decide. Of course the meaning has changed a bit.
I think what you have to remember is that Helios is Daedalus. Daedalus is the one who was trying to save the people of the world to begin with. For this reason it is likely that JC won't lose any moral fiber when merging.
Before someone brings up Icarus to say I'm wrong remember that “Icarus was the same system with a few modifications.” Those modifications were to control it, if it's not being controlled anymore then Icarus is just Daedalus with access to MJ12 systems.
Further if it just wanted a body it could have taken Page, in fact it could have taken Page, gained access to the UC and created millions of bodies (could create 1 million in under 1 day assuming constant speed of fastest creation on all UC ports) that it had total control over. Because it didn't do that it's statement saying if it merged with the wrong person it's mission would be corrupted seems true.
Oh by the way, of course a benevolent dictator is a dictator, it is by definition. That's like saying whether it's a saltwater fish or freshwater fish it's still a fish. The statement is true, but redundant.
Fred Chook on 25/7/2003 at 06:15
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Originally posted by chris the cynic Daedalus is the one who was trying to save the people of the world to begin with. Well... Daedalus is the one that was programmed to combat terrorist groups and carried out this programming, and by happy coincidence chose the terrorist group that you ended up opposed to as the greatest threat.
thechortler on 25/7/2003 at 06:39
Personally, I'm all about the Helios ending. I've done the others, just so, you know, I've seen them, but it's Helios all the way for me. Here's why:
1. I look at JC as myself when I play, not necessarily JC the character. I think 'what would I do' in X situation, not 'what would JC do'. Consequently, I'd consider merging with the AI to be the best option, so go for it.
2. Helios has NOT shown serious flaws or malignancies or malevolent ideas. Sure in Terminator machines are bad, but this guy isn't SHODAN, for chrissakes! I hate it when people just think 'Oh, I saw an AI be bad in this one movie or book, so they must all suck!' Your loss.
And the best reason: The other two choices are even worse.
If you go with the Illuminati, nothing's changed. Theoretically, if you get their butts in gear, they might get some stuff fixed, but it'd be nowhere near as powerful as the Helios merge. And don't get me started on the Dark Age ending. Durh, technology is bad! NO, the people who use it can be bad! We DO NOT kick modern scientific thought back a few hundred years on a misconception that the 17th century was a better place than the way we live today, that their lives were richer and easier.
Anyway, that's my rant. Not this board, but I'm highly annoyed by people who say they'd rather live in 'simpler times' or the Middle Ages. Yeah, go three weeks without modern vaccinations in germ-drenched hellholes with no plumbing and no control over your life and extreme poverty and THEN tell me you like it.
In hindsight, these are just my two cents, and I hope I didn't just offend anyone who chooses the Dark Ages ending. It IS just a game after all, as in not real, and everyone's entitled to their own opinions. It wasn't my intention to get anyone's dander up on this post, just letting off a little steam. Take it or leave it.
