TheGreatGodPan on 1/5/2006 at 00:34
Quote Posted by Convict
Sorry I don't quite follow. :confused: (ie is it a comment on Catholic schools and Catholic immigrants?)
During the 19th century Americans were worried that immigrants were attempting to avoid assimilating by going to Catholic (and also Lutheran) shools were they would keep speaking their own languages and not absorb American cultural values and what-not. Compulsory public education was very strongly linked to this nativist sentiment. That is specific to America, but the origins of it in part stem from Prussia, which was very keen on indoctrinating children and training them to be obedient and the religious split between Catholics and Protestants in which it was seen as desirable to increase literacy so more people could read the propaganda each side was pumping out (and the Bible of course).
You guys might be sick of me bringing up Steve Sailer all the time, but too bad because he just had a fairly (
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/04/who-is-adam-kidron-man-behind-nuestro.html) interesting piece on the creator of the Spanish national anthem. Adam Kidron, son of British Marxist theoretician Michael Kidron and nephew of the Trotskyist Ygael Gluckstein aka Tony Cliff. Adam was producer for Nina Hagen, The Slits, Orchestre Rouge, and Scritti Politti in the 80s. His sister directed the sequel to Bridget Jone's diary. He also bought Al Sharpton's million-person mailing list. To me that sounds like a big train-wreck of mediocrity, but I don't know jack about culture.
TheGreatGodPan on 2/5/2006 at 01:13
Quote Posted by Starrfall
And this is in fact why there are no Catholic schools in America today.
I probably should have made it more clear that I intended my first remark for humorous effect. The present is not the past.
Quote Posted by Wyclef
Hipster card CONFISCATED
I'm about as un-hip as it gets, so if you find one on me that means somewhere in an alleyway there's a severely beaten hipster who'd like his wallet back.
It should be noted that the "new anthem" is not a translation, it's different lyrics.
Here it is:
Quote Posted by What I was just talking about
Nuestro Himno
Published April 26, 2006
Verse 1
Oh say can you see, a la luz de la aurora/Lo que tanto aclamamos la noche al caer? Sus estrellas, sus franjas flotaban ayer/En el fiero combate en senal de victoria,/Fulgor de lucha, al paso de la libertada,/Por la noche decian: “Se va defendiendo!”
Coro: Oh, decid! Despliega aun su hermosura estrellada,/Sobre tierra de libres, la bandera sagrada?
Chant:
It's time to make a difference the kids, men and the women/Let's stand for our beliefs, let's stand for our vision/What about the children los ninos como P-Star
These kids have no parents, cause all of these mean laws.
See this can't happen, not only about the Latins.
Asians, blacks and whites and all they do is adding
more and more, let's not start a war
with all these hard workers,
they can't help where they were born.
Verse 2
Sus estrellas, sus franjas, la libertad, somos iguales
Somos hermanos, es nuestro himno.
En el fiero combate en senal de victoria,/Fulgor de lucha, al paso de la libertada,/Por la noche decian: “Se va defendiendo!”
Coro: Oh, decid! Despliega aun su hermosura estrellada,/Sobre tierra de libres, la bandera sagrada?
Just for laughs, here's the Mexican national anthem:
Quote Posted by Whoever wrote Mexico's anthem
Mexicans, at the cry of battle
prepare your swords and bridle;
and let the earth tremble at its center
at the roar of the cannon.
Oh fatherland
Your forehead shall be girded with olive garlands,
by the divine archangel of peace
For in heaven your eternal destiny
has been written by the hand of God.
But should a foreign enemy dare to
profane your land with his sole,
Think, beloved fatherland, that heaven
gave you a soldier in each son.
War, war without truce against who would attempt
to blemish the honor of the fatherland!
War, war! The patriotic banners
drench in waves of blood.
War, war! On the mount, in the valley
The terrifying thunder of the cannon
And the echoes nobly resound to the cries of
Union! Liberty!
Fatherland, before your children
Become unarmed beneath the yoke their necks in sway,
And your countryside be watered with blood,
On blood their feet trample.
And may your temples, palaces and towers
crumble in horrid crash,
and ruins remain saying:
The fatherland was made of one thousand heroes.
Fatherland, fatherland, your children swear
to exhale their breath in your cause,
If the bugle in its belligerent tone
should call upon them to struggle with bravery.
For you the olive garlands!
For them a memory of glory!
For you a laurel of victory!
For them a tomb of honor!
Considering Mexico's (
http://markinmexico.blogspot.com/2006/04/mexican-national-anthem.html) military history, this is actually a case where France's bloodthirsty anthem doesn't seem so ill-fitting in comparison.
