demagogue on 5/2/2016 at 02:57
I don't want to do anything with it that can't be done. It is what it is.
There are always people that are good posters, so it's not like it's an unmitigated disaster.
What I don't like, actually, are people that are good posters for a while, then they run out of steam or say they feel bombarded so aren't going to post like they used to. I wish that didn't happen. That's a different issue than people that just don't know how Internet works from the start. (On that note, I think it's not surprising that TTLG people tend to also be good FB posters for the most part. You all know how the whole posting & online life thing works.)
mxleader on 5/2/2016 at 03:00
Can't find the group the Nuthaus on FB.
faetal on 5/2/2016 at 05:42
I'm not sure I like to judge people by the content they share on facebook. I have some great friends who use social networks in a way which doesn't interest me. Doesn't mean I want to can the connection. Even a simple option like "I want to follow this person's updates, but not their shares / likes" would be cool. But as someone said earlier, facebook is a marketing platform, so not going to happen.
mxleader on 6/2/2016 at 05:14
Thanks, I totally left out the TTLG part when searching.
Tocky on 7/2/2016 at 08:47
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But that's not my situation at all - though I admit mine connection with TTLG is probably a bit unique. It's no secret to anyone here that I used to be strongly evangelical - progressive, but conservative in my religious beliefs, and a pastor and theology teacher to top it off. Then I left it all behind - mostly because I was challenged so much by many of you and past members in these pages, which led to a lot of soul searching. I owe TTLG a LOT in that regard. Even though I left that life behind, I didn't leave the people behind. I even relocated geographically because of that whole thing, but there are people still in that group that I grew up with and still have strong affection for, despite their assholery when it comes to politics and religion. Add to that, my family are all conservatives and I now live thousands of miles away from them. FB is the logical way to keep up with these people, and especially to keep my family updated on my health situation. So in a sense, I didn't really "choose" my FB friends - I confirmed them out of a practical need stay connected with them. But that doesn't mean I want to discuss Trump, or God, or sex, or raising children, or even music with them. It's easy to say "just unfriend them" but then that link is lost for me, and the obvious question becomes - "should I unfriend my own mother?" I could do that, but is it really worth the drama and conflict over a FB account? Regardless, even when I post original thoughts or try to start a discussion, it gets lost in the mix. Replies are one to two sentences, even from well-meaning posters, but there is hardly ever a real discussion and when there is, it's usually an argument. It's just not the same - and I say that as someone who, as a direct result of my conversations here, changed my entire life and career, moved away, re-invented myself and started a new life. Tell me when anyone, ever, has done that over a FB conversation. My experience here is probably way more intense than most people's but the fact is, online forums/communities like this have the potential to affect and challenge us much more than Twitter and FB. Particularly when you've developed relationships with the members beyond funny memes and sharing Onion articles. Hell, TTLG has collectively contributed nearly $10,000 toward my medical bills in the last two years. There's no way shit like that happens out of FB hookups when someone liked your post and decided to friend or follow you. That happens because of daily interaction and sharing life together which forums like this allow for to whatever degree the user chooses.
I feel you. The very reason I enjoy this forum is because I don't have to conform to what others expect of me. I admit I haven't been around much lately but that's been because I have been enjoying life with my wife. I can't even be honest with most folks on facebook about religion. Politics a little though I try to avoid that too. Religion is an intensely personal thing and I don't appreciate intrusion. Tell me I HAVE to believe something and I'll tell you to fuck off. God included. But damn me to hell I can't be an atheist. I know it makes sense. I already understand science and have faith in evolution to the fullest because of logic. Logic precludes faith anyway.
Rena knows how I think and feel. Nobody else does. If they did they would be trying to "save" me. Fuck that. I know damn well what I've been through to get where I am. I love family. They are damn stupid and dogmatic though. The Bible is a collection of fairy tales they swallow hook, line, and sinker. On the other hand I can't shake a feeling there is a source for things I don't understand but which is benevolent nonetheless. I feel it. All the logic in the world can't shake it. It makes no sense whatsoever and I know it. But fuck them and fuck you if you want to influence it. I feel what I feel to my core in spite of what I know if that makes any sense. I can't be anything but who I am. I can't cut family loose just because we don't see things the same. I won't. I love them. I also won't cut friends loose who are atheist because I understand that fully even though I can't fully go that path. I align with them almost fully.But damn anyone who messes with my family or my friends and that includes my family and friends. I can't reconcile everybody to everybody. Here I don't have to.
Tony_Tarantula on 7/2/2016 at 15:10
If you think religion is just a fairytale, then you've only scratched at the surface.
There's an enormous amount of astrological symbolism in the Bible that traces back to Eastern mysticism and science (via the Egyptian culture) that you miss if you're still stuck in the American Evangelical "It all MUST be interpreted literally!" mindset.
Read an old 19th century text named Oedipus Judaicus if you can find it. There's a few on Amazon but the original version is extremely difficult to find.
fett on 7/2/2016 at 22:12
Not sure what the Oedipus Judaicus has to actually do with the Bible. Egyptian mysticism appears in pretty much every ancient religion. The Bible is definitely a masterpiece when it comes to symbolism and gammatria, but that doesn't preclude some of the stuff from being a fairly tale. I think most people wildly underestimate how much of it is historically accurate in any case. Still doesn't validate the supernatural aspects of it...and off topic. :p
Goldmoon Dawn on 8/2/2016 at 02:29
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I love that. :D
Seriously though fett yer spot on. I didn't post a lot in commchat, but I read everything every day. I miss it terribly.
Tony_Tarantula on 8/2/2016 at 19:27
It's a book that talks about the bible....so basically everything.
As to the "supernatural" aspects my point wasn't that they're literally true, but that there's a lot more to it than just silly fairy tales. If you're familiar with both Eastern and modern ecclesiastic symbolism(where masonry actually derives from) there's a lot more to it.
To me one of the most interesting contrasts between the old and new testaments is that the old testament is more or less in line with other pagan religions in how god is viewed. God is NOT a benign creator, but the gods are portrayed as an abusive master race that created and uses humans for their own purposes. That view is remarkably consistent between almost all pre 30AD religions.