So we shall flow a river forth to Thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. - by Scots Taffer
Scots Taffer on 2/11/2009 at 03:10
(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCDLMHISpyg) In nomine Patri. Et Fili. Spiritus Sancti. *BOOM*
I've never known a film to inspire such frothing-at-the-mouth frenzied rage when it comes to differences of opinion than the original Boondock Saints.
What's not to like about an immature Scorcese and Tarantino influenced action film with ridiculously over the top setpieces involving two Boston boys playing religious vigilantes with wildly variable accents chased by a flamboyantly gay FBI agent played by Willem Dafoe with a lategame appearance from a scenery chewing Billy Connelly?
Example of silly awesomeness: (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5DlpZiMZ0) THERE WAS A FIREFIGHT!
I think the division is largely due to a huge chunk of the young (typically college-aged frat-boyish) fanbase being drooling idiots who honestly buy into the religious vendetta bullshit as much as the director apparently did (an egomaniac who singlehandedly destroyed his own career after Boondocks hit by claiming he was the next big thing and successively burning every bridge he crossed) by suggesting that ridiculous vigilantism is somehow morally justified if they are killing bad guys.
Anyway, anyone going to see the sequel?
Anyone FUCKING HATE the original and will openly MURDER anyone who likes it?
The trailer looks pretty shit admittedly, but I'll be there. :D
Azaran on 2/11/2009 at 03:44
Ooooh yeah baby, I'm watching that :cool:. I loved the first one. I think it was extremely underrated.
Azaran
Angel Dust on 2/11/2009 at 04:39
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
...the director apparently did (an egomaniac who singlehandedly destroyed his own career after Boondocks hit by claiming he was the next big thing and successively burning every bridge he crossed) by suggesting that ridiculous vigilantism is somehow morally justified if they are killing bad guys.
That's exactly why I hated the first film. I can enjoy vigilante films but not when the fact that the director thinks it's so 'cool' and morally justifiable bleeds into every frame. It also didn't help that he was a complete hack either.
But hey, I'm not going to murder you Scots :thumb:
Aerothorn on 2/11/2009 at 09:09
The guy one door down on my hall my first year of college claimed this as one of his favorite films. But not in an ironic way, but in a "this is one of the best movies ever made" way. And yeah, he has pretty twisted notions about the glories of vengeance and stuff like that.
I ended up returning it to him without watching it...I just strongly suspected that I wouldn't enjoy it.
Later, my best friend at college told me that was silly because EVERYBODY thought it was a Great Movie and clearly I'd been reading some really weird critics who didn't like it.
Scots Taffer on 2/11/2009 at 10:32
It really depends on how you sit down to watch it (after the years of relentless fanboyism and ridiculous critical analysis - as it is worth of neither) but I suggest it is in the vein of watching the silly action films of yore - Predator, Commando and the like. I never once took it seriously and even if the director did, as long as you watch it with an easy smile coming to mind - I'd find it hard pressed to dislike it.
Harvester on 2/11/2009 at 20:00
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So now I can't wait to see the second one, and will mostly likely be disappointed by the fact it's nothing but a bit of violence-glorifying nonsense.
In other words, exactly like the first one was. Enjoyable violence-glorifying nonsense, but violence-glorifying nonsense nonetheless.
Azaran on 4/11/2009 at 01:01
Overnight was awesome. It shows you how the Saints director went completely downhill and destroyed any potential success he might have in movies. This he did by being a complete prick to everyone around him...:grr:
Aerothorn on 4/11/2009 at 10:20
god, I can't escape
I had a friend staying with me from Paris and (with no mention of the film by me) she mentioned how one of her friends thought this was one of the greatest films of all time. Again, not ironically.
Muzman on 6/11/2009 at 08:46
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
I've never known a film to inspire such frothing-at-the-mouth frenzied rage when it comes to differences of opinion than the original Boondock Saints.
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I think the division is largely due to a huge chunk of the young (typically college-aged frat-boyish) fanbase being drooling idiots who honestly buy into the religious vendetta bullshit as much as the director apparently did by suggesting that ridiculous vigilantism is somehow morally justified if they are killing bad guys.
That is really it isn't it. It's not worth, as you say, any of the intense debate it garners. They are more each side trying to counter balance the other (if you know what I mean). But somewhere in there the why of that intense love or hate comes from a message that is the core of the film.
I knew nothing of the guy's career when I saw it, but it became very obvious at some point while watching that he really believed this stuff sincerely. I can't remember why exactly but its disturbing in a way that doesn't happen while watching every Chuck Norris movie or whatever else. I mean Michael Winner can be a reactionary douche and deadly serious, but <i>Death Wish</i> has a bit of heart to it and is a bit of a cultural artifact. A lot of movies embody that 19yr old male shit shooting late night conversation on civics that kind of goes "Politics/Immigrants/Crime/WW2/ItsAllFucked/JustShootTheCunts". But <i>Boondock Saints</i> is different. It's woken up the next day and not thrown away that fix the world to-do list and gone back to playing Halo and trying to meet girls. It's a Travis Bickle movie, only Travis is kind of gleefully self confident and self satisfied instead of clearly being a pitiable wounded human being.
I didn't Hate hate it at first, I just thought it was stupid, but there was that same disquiet from watching movies made by skinheads or Islamic fundamentalists. It's later that really does it, when you meet quite a lot of people who <i>Love</i> it, think its Amazing (see more movies), is Hilarious (Cross dressing is not funny by itself. Cats getting shot by mistake isn't funny. Tarantino made it a bit of a surprise see), has Fantastic Action (Wrong. Slo-mo does not make action good by itself), makes you think (someone should have made you think earlier in life, clearly). Men and women. You see that and conclude this sort of thing must be opposed.
Most of that lot aren't the hard core for whom Troy Duffy is a slightly less inventive Tyler Durden figure and probably didn't see any of that message (or took it exactly as I would in a Norris film). Still, that crossover factor into people who know nothing of the ourve of Steven Segal is baffling and disturbing.
Maybe just more people than we know have always wanted to get into a fist fight with a lesbian feminist but our repressive culture was denying their self expression.
