van HellSing on 24/10/2017 at 20:58
Thing about Kolya's stance for me is the type of "who cares, she was drunk anyway!" attitude. I mean, I'm not one to talk about how physical relationships should work - at this stage, I'm very open about being a 30+, straight, male virgin. However, the situation described feels *utterly wrong* and I can't excuse it in any way.
Yakoob on 24/10/2017 at 21:08
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
The 'one dude' is the guy who owns and runs the site.
Ah somehow the stories I've seen circling failed to mention that. That makes more sense.
ZylonBane on 25/10/2017 at 19:11
Quote Posted by Yakoob
Ah somehow the stories I've seen circling failed to mention that. That makes more sense.
"NeoGAF Goes Dark After Sexual Misconduct Allegation Against Owner" <-- article linked in literally the third post of this thread
SubJeff on 25/10/2017 at 21:07
I see where Koyla is coming from.
It looks like this was a claim in a tweet.
If this is the standard of evidence required then really humanity deserves all the crap it gets. I can think of few things worse than being falsely accused of something like this.
I'm going to pray for that asteroid again. Or alien death machines.
van HellSing on 25/10/2017 at 21:28
There are two points to this:
1. If the claim in the facebook message is true, Malka is a scumbag.
2. If the claim is NOT true, then he's still scummy for dealing with the situation the way he did, through the attempt at total control and silencing any discussion. Which ties in with the other instance of harrassment that he himself *bragged* about.
Basically, the way I see it: GAF was run under the pretence of being a benevolent dictatorship. The rules were mostly good, except when they didn't suit the dictator himself. The public got wind and rebelled, the moderators said fuck this, because they were stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Pyrian on 25/10/2017 at 23:08
Quote Posted by SubJeff
I can think of few things worse than being falsely accused of something like this.
How about frequent sexual harassment that you don't dare do anything about because "innocent until proven guilty" is taken to mean that you're presumed guilty of making a false accusation?
icemann on 26/10/2017 at 03:07
Sounds like a witch hunt to me. Whatever happened to innocent before being proven guilty?
This is why its not always a good idea to leak news of this stuff to the public before its taken through the courts. People get in a frenzy and start calling "OFF WITH HIS HEAD" whether he's innocent or not. Fuck that. I'll be no part of it. So I'm 100% with Kolya on this one, as even if it turned out tomorrow that the guy is innocent. Its too late, as the damage has been done well and truly.
Trance on 26/10/2017 at 05:19
Quote Posted by Pyrian
How about frequent sexual harassment that you don't dare do anything about because "innocent until proven guilty" is taken to mean that you're presumed guilty of making a false accusation?
That's a hell of a way to twist the burden of proof.
Sexual harassment and sexual assault accusations are highly effective tools of destruction against someone's reputation in this day and age. Just the accusation is all that's needed to do lasting damage, regardless of its truth value. Care should be taken when dealing with them to ensure that they're being used as legitimate conduits of justice rather than as cultural weapons.
Nothing's going to paint #MeToo as a witch hunt more than a handful of high-profile accusations shown to be leveled dishonestly against innocent individuals. If you want to avoid that, you'd better start caring about the importance of evidence.
Starker on 26/10/2017 at 06:00
On the other hand, sexual harassment and sexual assault itself are highly effective tools of destruction and more than enough to do lasting damage to a person and their reputation, unfortunately.
Also, it's not like the choice is black and white here. Certainly, an accusation doesn't automatically mean that the accused is guilty, but that doesn't mean an accusation can't be taken seriously. The rush to immediately dismiss accusations of sexual misconduct is part of what's creating the problem in the first place.
In the case of Evilore, people wanted answers more than anything else, especially in the light of the guy's history, and the answer speaks volumes.
Edit: I mean, seriously, the way these types of things are treated is so weird. When someone reports theft, as a rule we don't question the victim's motives or their character or blame the victim for being a target.
Let's switch the situations for a moment -- if someone had accused Evilore of theft, wouldn't you think it's suspicious that he did all that instead of simple statement like, "I didn't do it" or "It was an honest mistake"? And would you also not find it even more suspicious if it came out that he has a history of taking things without other people's permission, even if it's just petty theft.
Trance on 26/10/2017 at 11:30
Quote Posted by Starker
I mean, seriously, the way these types of things are treated is so weird. When someone reports theft, as a rule we don't question the victim's motives or their character or blame the victim for being a target.
Theft is reported to the police, and they investigate the accusation by gathering evidence. These sexual assault accusations have been reported to the public, who tends to shoot first and ask questions later, figuratively speaking.
I'm not seeing a rush to immediately dismiss these accusations. I'm seeing a rush to immediately
believe them. This opens an avenue for manipulation. I understand and appreciate the purpose behind #MeToo, but I also understand just how quickly the whole movement can have its legs taken out from under it if just a few innocent people have their lives ruined by malicious false accusations.
There's kinetic energy to the movement now. Be sure of your target.
