Starker on 24/10/2017 at 06:44
Yeah, it's NeoGAF -- tensions were always running high on there. It lived on drama in large parts. But when moderators resign en masse, you know things are really bad.
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I mean the previous tensions with his moderators. Because his questionable history is having grabbed a girl's ass in a bar. Oh my.
Not just that. There's also stuff like passing on nude pics of a girl and more. Basically, each incident alone may not look like much, but it becomes a pattern. Add to this his obnoxious personality and personal grudges that have accumulated over the years and you can see how there might be a bit of an outrage in a drama-high forum.
Even so, that's not what proved to be the downfall. It was the handling of the situation that let it became uncontainable.
Kolya on 24/10/2017 at 16:49
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I'd never figured Kolya to take that sort of stance. Disappointing.
So you never figured I would be against modern day witch hunts? You got me completely wrong then.
If that guy did anything to her without her consent, how about going to the police and filing charges? If he gets sentenced by a proper judge, then he will probably get all the public shaming on top.
But she didn't and he wasn't. Instead people are using the internet these days to create an extra-judicial court of virtue, in which there are no checks, no defense, the awfulness of the deed is always solely limited by people's imagination and the sentence comes pre-fabricated. And it ruins peoples lives. That is not at all okay. Regardless of what you may think he did. There are good reasons why we came from tribal howling to the finely tuned court system we have.
But that's not as entertaining as Fafhrd's imagination I guess. A kiddie porn dungeon in TTLG's basement you say? Holy shit. Now that I think of it, Renz once asked me to go down there and fetch some "noobs". At the time I just thought it odd, but now I'm glad I didn't go!
Starker on 24/10/2017 at 16:56
It's not a witch hunt, it's a lot of shit becoming unpacked all at once and people looking for answers. And unfortunately the answer was a banning spree, a shutdown of the forums, and accusing the girl of being mentally ill and jealous and completely making the story up.
scumble on 24/10/2017 at 18:56
That article certainly clarifies some things for me. It's related to a lot of the "missing the point" on the general problem of harassment. On paper it's technically recognised yet it's really something that hasn't been resolved. I find it a little depressing.
Renault on 24/10/2017 at 19:27
I'm not letting the guy off the hook at all, but it's a little weird that they had a consensual sexual relationship after the incident. And that they were shacking up together in the same bed at E3 afterwards as well.
Kolya on 24/10/2017 at 20:02
I'm sure it can be difficult to go the legal way. It would be good to have a discussion about how processes need to change to make it easier and protect these women. But whether that happens or not: There is no alternative to a due process and
innocent until proven guilty. And if you cannot agree to that, then you're on the wrong side of the freedom that you're ostensibly trying to defend. And you're definitely on my wrong side.
Pyrian on 24/10/2017 at 20:44
Innocent until proven guilty is a criminal legal standard. It doesn't mean I have to work with, patronize, vote for, and otherwise pretend everything's hunky dory.
Harvester on 24/10/2017 at 20:51
Well yeah, I agree with innocence until proven guilty and not starting witch hunts and nailing people to the wall without any proof. But in this particular case, what would've happened if she went to the cops? There was no one else present at the incident, no cameras in hotel rooms either and there wasn't any penetration that could've resulted in a DNA sample. The most likely outcome would've been "he came at me in the shower". "No I fucking didn't, prove it". Would've been traumatic and probably amounted to nothing. Not saying it would've been wrong of her to go to the cops, but it also wasn't wrong of her to spare herself the trouble, for all the good it would probably have done her.
Going to the cops is great if there's an actual chance of conviction. Either way, I don't think we can start judging victims on whether or not they're willing to face going to the cops, getting run through the wringer by a lawyer who lays doubt on all your claims, exacerbating your trauma, etc.
