Renzatic on 11/8/2011 at 23:14
Say what you will about the story and writing in DX:HR, but I haven't seen anything quite as cheesy as Cliffy B's Tuff Thugs Who Occasionally Cry yet.
Warren's Spectre on 12/8/2011 at 00:50
Quote Posted by froghawk
:rolleyes: Do you want a sequel or a carbon copy? .
If you'd have taken the bother to read my posts before and after you would notice that I am not someone who is against the progression in the industry. For instance, I suggested they could have used the Far Cry 3 sticky cover in order to be hip and with the times. I've also said several times that I don't mind whatever they decide to do with the game as long as they don't force some of the more contentious changes on us as it would not be a hard thing to allow for a duality of game mechanics like Fallout 3 being playable in third or first person.
polytourist97 on 12/8/2011 at 01:01
Quote Posted by Zooey
Papy: Bioshock was basically Levine retelling System Shock 2 with different voices, so I don't quite understand why you'd only count Bioshock as mature..
Ah, but BS contained far more F-bombs, thus clearly it is the more maturely written game.
Renzatic on 12/8/2011 at 01:57
Bioshock had some of the deepest conversations I've yet seen in a game. Up to and including such gems as:
Random Splicer: "Fuckin A! This place is fucking wet as shit"
Jack: "Well no fuck, Sherlock. Goddamn place is all busted up and underwater"
Random Splicer: "Yeah. You've kinda got a point there. Also, would you kindly go fuck yourself"
It was...it was...so brilliant. :o
Yakoob on 12/8/2011 at 02:27
It's existential, you see.
Renzatic on 12/8/2011 at 02:45
Oh, most definitely. One line in particular stands out to me simply for the sheer amount of brilliance packed into one small, seemingly inconsequential sentence. When the splicer says:
"Goddamn place is all busted up and underwater".
...it's obviously a direct allegory to the state a Randian Objectivist society will eventually find itself in, as its upper crust elites cannibalize one other due to the self serving ethos they founded their city upon. Rapture was BUSTED, you see. And it was UNDERWATER, yes. But it did it sink due to the weight of its well meaning, but ultimately misdirected ideals? NO! It was sunk, UNDERWATER if you will, by design. FROM THE DAY OF ITS FOUNDING! I see this as a direct allegory stating that Objectivism is obviously flawed, and, as Rapture, inevitably doomed to failure.
Of course mindless sheeple see it as a simple throwaway line. Something to be laughed at. Derided. I see it as something more.
Yakoob on 12/8/2011 at 17:34
I cried.
Renzatic on 12/8/2011 at 19:12
It truly was an eye opening experience.
Papy on 13/8/2011 at 13:07
Quote Posted by Zooey
Bioshock was basically Levine retelling System Shock 2 with different voices, so I don't quite understand why you'd only count Bioshock as mature.
The story structure was exactly the same, but that's the only similarity. Ideas as well as the presentation behind the story were completely different.
BioShock had a political idea as its foundation. With SS2, it was just an empty and generic sci-fi horror settings. BioShock could make a teen think about a mature subject, SS2 could not.
SS2 NPCs did have a personality, but we had very few information to understand them. There was very few logs with information about their pasts, most were about the present. Finally, they did not affect my gameplay at all.
With BioShock, I was able to partially understand Tenenbaum or Ryan because of the bits of information about their pasts. It gave an impression of BioShock's NPCs having more depth. More importantly, even if my choices were limited to saving or harvesting little sisters, at least I had to choose between Tenenbaum and Atlas.
Finally, from an emotional level, I think BioShock is mostly made for an older adult. For me, the most memorable moment in BioShock was Tenenbaum's sanctuary. When I saw the little sisters I saved and who were thanking me, I was really moved. But if I had played the game 15 years before, I think that scene would have left me cold.
The reason is I'm now at an age where I regret not having children. I now feel a strong need to raise and protect a child. But when I was 30, that was not the case and even less when I was 25. So I think most of the emotional impact of BioShock is only effective for older men. That's the main reason why I say BioShock story was more mature.
Koki on 13/8/2011 at 14:57
I think it has less to do with being mature and more to do with being someone who buys Nintendo DS.
