Stitch on 18/11/2011 at 15:54
Quote Posted by Brethren
You really need to go back and do this, with some nice fancy mods.
I understand you guys are just repping for a much beloved game, but this is a huge pet peeve of mine. We're not talking an old movie that can be knocked off in two hours or even a book that is the first step on a long comforting journey, we're talking a rapidly aging 40+ hour video game whose time in the sun is long past.
It isn't like I'm entirely against legacy gaming--I bought and beat "Loom" a few years ago, after all--but well meaning "you gotta play the prequel" gamers don't quite understand what an enormous burden they're suggesting to your average person just arriving to the franchise (a description that doesn't quite fit Digi, admittedly, but the principle is still the same).
Besides, while Morrowind probably presented the most interesting and unique Elder Scrolls world to date, I think it's difficult to argue that Skyrim doesn't do everything it did but far better. I know for me personally--and I recognize with this statement I'm losing the worthless currency known as Koki points--I'd argue that each subsequent Bethesda game has taken a step forward from its predecessor in overall gameplay.
Oblivion's level scaling sure was a bucket of shit, though.
wonderfield on 18/11/2011 at 21:49
Quote Posted by Stitch
...we're talking a rapidly aging 40+ hour video game whose time in the sun is long past.
Even if its "time in the sun" has past, is that a good-enough reason to recommend against playing it? I'm not so sure.
Quote Posted by Stitch
Besides, while Morrowind probably presented the most interesting and unique Elder Scrolls world to date, I think it's difficult to argue that Skyrim doesn't do everything it did but far better.
It's not that difficult. Skyrim may very well be the best Elder Scrolls game yet released — even if partially due to its technical state in comparison to prior games — but I would not argue that it does
everything better than Morrowind.
Besides which: these are two different games, with two entirely different story lines and environments in which those story lines take place. It's not entirely about which is better than the other.
Schwaa2 on 18/11/2011 at 22:00
Quote Posted by Firefreak
Well,
you are dragon born. Not cave bear born, or giant centipedes born :joke:
True, but the entire base of Skyrim revolves around fighting Dragons. I was totally stoked on that and expected it to be a bit more epic.
In other words, Dragons are the 'boss' at the end of the level. Bears and centipedes and the henchmen before hand. Of course these creatures should be tough, But when you encouter one and get creamed 4 times in a row, then encouter a flying lizard 10x their size you think, oh shit this is gonna be tough.
But it's easier. :(
Renzatic on 18/11/2011 at 23:11
I will say this about Skyrim. Far moreso than Oblivion, the NPCs are actually interesting, and towns actually feel like they have a history of their own, rather than being pretty places to get quests and sell your stuff.
I think it's actually better than Morrowind in quite a few ways, and feels more like a proper sequel to it than Oblivion did.
I'd say more, but I'd rather be playing at the moment. I'll talk about it later. :P
Hanse on 18/11/2011 at 23:21
Quote Posted by Stitch
I understand you guys are just repping for a much beloved game, but this is a huge pet peeve of mine. We're not talking an old movie that can be knocked off in two hours or even a book that is the first step on a long comforting journey, we're talking a rapidly aging 40+ hour video game whose time in the sun is long past.
It isn't like I'm entirely against legacy gaming--I bought and beat "Loom" a few years ago, after all--but well meaning "you gotta play the prequel" gamers don't quite understand what an enormous burden they're suggesting to your average person just arriving to the franchise (a description that doesn't quite fit Digi, admittedly, but the principle is still the same).
Besides, while Morrowind probably presented the most interesting and unique Elder Scrolls world to date, I think it's difficult to argue that Skyrim doesn't do everything it did but far better. I know for me personally--and I recognize with this statement I'm losing the worthless currency known as Koki points--I'd argue that each subsequent Bethesda game has taken a step forward from its predecessor in overall gameplay.
Oblivion's level scaling sure was a bucket of shit, though.
I'm not one to suggest that every single game from 10 years ago or more should be played by everyone. Some games just don't hold up well, but I happen to believe that Morrowind is one that does.
Digi said in his original post that he was "reading the books, milking every character for every last line of dialog" and you cannot argue that Morrowind doesn't have an extremely rich amount of lore.
Morrowind does have some early game annoyances, without a doubt (someone mentioned the slow walk speed and the poor combat at low skill levels) but once you get over those hurdles, it still offers an amazing amount of gameplay, even today.
I probably wouldn't recommend Morrowind to someone who only just entered the gaming scene 2 or 3 years ago. I've encountered far too many younger gamers these days who would be completely put off by the amount of text that one would have to *read* because they didn't record thousands of lines of voice acting back then. But I think someone like Digi would absolutely appreciate it though.
(I am only guessing here, Dan. Who knows, maybe you'd hate it. My point is, it can't hurt to give it a try. ;))
Koki on 21/11/2011 at 07:34
Speaking of books and lore, am I correct in assuming that the poem at the end of The Book of the Dragonborn refers to all previous TES games?
When misrule takes its place at the eight corners of the world
When the Brass Tower walks and Time is reshaped
When the thrice-blessed fail and the Red Tower trembles
When the Dragonborn Ruler loses his throne, and the White Tower falls
When the Snow Tower lies sundered, kingless, bleeding
The World-Eater wakes, and the Wheel turns upon the Last Dragonborn.
With Snow Tower being Skyrim, the previous line is then about Oblivion, then Morrowind, etc.
Briareos H on 21/11/2011 at 08:31
Yep. Bethesda have always liked to add parts of the larger-picture prophecy to the lore of each game. I'm really, really glad that they chose to take a step back and include the full books in Skyrim, and a lot of them.
EDIT: Though I'm disappointed that there isn't an additional line predicting at least part of the events post-Skyrim.
Ulukai on 21/11/2011 at 09:17
Quote Posted by Renzatic
There's really no reason not to play MW these days. It's aged incredibly well.
Is it possible to stop most of the NPCs coming out with their favourite phrase?
