Raymond Luxury Yacht on 26/7/2003 at 12:10

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So I'm playinh through again - to get fired up for the new one - and was wondering... What affects your fight with Simons? First time through Paul died and I fought Simons at Area 51. Second time Paul lived and I fought Simons in the Ocean Lab. There weren't many other differences, so I wondered. Any one have an idea?

Apologies if it had been posted before; I'm still trying to figure this forum out.

Oh, and is there any advantage to saving Paul, other than the obviously minor bit that he's your brother? But more important, he seems to be the only one who isn't either two-faced or has an agenda. I didn't notice any difference, but I'm a rather sloppy, and not-so-good, gamer. Curiosity, is all.

chris the cynic on 26/7/2003 at 19:19

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Saving Paul only really gets you Paul.

You get the satisfaction of knowing Paul is alive and you get this conversation:

PaulDenton It let me through... I can't believe it.
JCDenton Paul... Where are you? What do you mean -- "it?"
PaulDenton Helios... It's taken over Aquinas. Now it's everywhere. In Hong Kong, it already has power Majestic 12 never dreamed of.
JCDenton What's going on? The AI wants to merge with my brain or something. Does it really think it can take over the world?
PaulDenton It's decided to replace human government -- I don't know why. In Hong Kong, it ordered the police to remove all barricades from the roads; traffic is flowing again. It declared the Triads illegal and locked the door to the Luminous Path compound.
JCDenton And people are obeying? Why? Because the AI can change some codes and turn out the lights?
PaulDenton I think everyone wants the roads to be open and trade to pick up. They just obeyed. I don't know what to think. They trust the AI. Almost no one complained when Helios cut power to the government buildings.
JCDenton A benevolent dictator... Maybe it's after my brain so it can figure out what people want and how to control them.
PaulDenton You have a tough choice, JC. If you defeat Page, the Illuminati will move in; they'll release Majestic 12's grip on world governments, they'll give people some freedom, but essentially it will be 20th-century capitalism: a corporate elite protected by laws and tax-codes.
JCDenton Or I listen to Tong and pull the plug on everything. Or hand the world over to Helios.
PaulDenton Well, if it's maximum freedom we want, maybe Tong is on to something, but there must be another way besides economic collapse... If we could trust the AI to be fair and just, as it appears to be...
JCDenton If the brain it assimilated was mine, maybe it could be.
PaulDenton I don't know. I wish I had an answer for you, but you'll have to decide for yourself who you can trust.
JCDenton Trust me: I'll do the right thing. You sound good. I guess you have the killswitch beat.
PaulDenton I'm much better. Yes, I'm going to make it -- and you will, too. Just do what you think is right.


Instead of this one.
GarySavage It let me through... I can't believe it.
JCDenton Dr. Savage... Is everything all right at Vandenberg? What do you mean by "it?"
GarySavage Helios... It's taken over Aquinas. Now it's everywhere. We're getting rumors that it's seized control of Hong Kong.
JCDenton What's going on? The AI wants to merge with my brain or something. Does it really think it can take over the world?
GarySavage It's decided to replace human government -- Tong and I don't know why. In Hong Kong, it ordered the police to remove all barricades from the roads; traffic is flowing again. It declared the Triads illegal and locked the door to Tong's compound.
JCDenton And people are obeying? Why? Because the AI can change some codes and turn out the lights?
GarySavage I think people in Hong Kong want the roads to be open and trade to pick up. They just obeyed. We don't know what to think. Helios seems to have people's interests in mind, but it disbanded the city government and cut power to all of the buildings. It wants absolute power.
JCDenton A benevolent dictator... Maybe it's after my brain so it can figure out what people want and how to control them.
GarySavage You have a tough choice, JC. If you defeat Page, the Illuminati will move in; they'll release Majestic 12's grip on world governments, they'll give people some freedom, but essentially it will be 20th-century capitalism: a corporate elite protected by laws and tax-codes.
JCDenton Or I listen to Tong and pull the plug on everything. Or hand the world over to Helios.
GarySavage Yeah, that's where I disagree with Tong. We don't want complete freedom if that means economic collapse. There must be another way... If we could trust the AI to be fair and just, as it claims to be...
JCDenton If the brain it assimilated was mine, maybe it could be.
GarySavage I don't know. I wish I had an answer for you, but you'll have to decide for yourself who you can trust.
JCDenton Trust me: I'll do the right thing. "
GarySavage Good luck. I'm not exaggerating when I say this, JC. The world is depending on you.

Not much difference.

chris the cynic on 27/7/2003 at 15:55

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This is true. While we're at it, there is an infolink thing where he says trust only your own conscience. And the conversation with Maggie goes a bit differently. I think that's it. You know a bark different here or there, and when Gunther picks you up at Battery Park he says, “They expect us to take you and Paul alive.” Other than that are there any differences?

Lytha on 27/7/2003 at 22:03

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Minor differences in the first chat with Tong as well. (<i>"You heard about Paul?" - "Yes, I heard they killed him." - "I want to make sure that he did not die for nothing."</i>)

And a different dialogue with Reyes when you're breaking out of the prison. (<i>"I heard they killed Paul." - "Yes, it's true. MiB's raided the apartment."</i>)

And a different chat with Jock after the prison escape. (<i>"I wish Paul could come with us."</i>)

Then all the staff of the medics-area of the mj12 facility are saying different stuff, sure. ("<i>He was dead when he arrived here. There was nothing we could do. The troopers, you know."</i>)

The chat with Miguel (the NSF prisoner with the knife and the medkit) is different. (<i>"I think they got my brother, too." - "I heard them talking... you are definitely the only one they have." - "No, it can't be."</i>)

Daedalus' messages are different during the prison escape. (He's <i>so</i> empathic... *cough*)

I guess that there might be a difference in the lines of Tong's guards, too. After all, they tell you that Paul arrived, if he was alive, don't they - so they should have something else to say now.

I have the very vague guess, that the chat with Chad might be slightly different, too.




The thing with Paul is mean in any case. He tells you <u>explicitely</u> to leave through the cursed bedroom's window. If you do as he asks, he ends up dead. :/

SNAFU on 28/7/2003 at 00:26

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HA! Now that's a chore for the non-lethal people out there...