RavynousHunter on 16/12/2008 at 04:52
On somewhat of a tangent, the whole "Parting of the Red Sea" is a misnomer. Historians have found that is wasn't really the Red Sea, but the Reed Sea; the original translators had missed that extra "e." Moses didn't part it, either, he simply knew that there was a certain time at which it was safe to cross the Reed Sea. In the end, Moses was actually a very good military strategist who used magic, as was common in that day, to explain his methods to the lay folk.
jtr7 on 16/12/2008 at 05:17
Ahh...you saw James Cameron's Exodus show.
fett on 16/12/2008 at 05:23
Quote Posted by RavynousHunter
On somewhat of a tangent, the whole "Parting of the Red Sea" is a misnomer. Historians have found that is wasn't really the Red Sea, but the
Reed Sea; the original translators had missed that extra "e." Moses didn't part it, either, he simply knew that there was a certain time at which it was safe to cross the Reed Sea. In the end, Moses was actually a very good military strategist who used magic, as was common in that day, to explain his methods to the lay folk.
Er...no. You do know that Red isn't spelled 'R-e-d' in Hebrew, right? ;)
ercles on 16/12/2008 at 05:36
BEAR, I agree with you almost entirely. I actually don't even think to much about the negative/controvesial sides of the abrahamic faiths (gay marriage, abortion, contraception) when I contemplate religion because I almost see it is a narrow minded view. The reality is that every person seems to put their own spin on their religion, just look at an issue as basic as whether or not it is important to go church, but there is no arguing that what should be the common denominator (terrible, unforseen pun) between all these people is that they basically think that they have faith in God and believe in being just generally easy going. Most higher ups in religion that I have met in my time are thoroughly generous and thoughtful people.
Just on a personal note, as much as I love learning about how intricate and fascinating everything is scientifically, I do find it rather depressing that it all came about through random variation and selective pressures. There's a part of me that enjoys the romanticism of some mystery.
Now Volitions Advocate, I'm sorry to sound like a jerk but I'm really having trouble seeing the connections here mate. How on earth can something as esoteric as religion be explained through mathematics and common sense, the very concept of a leap of faith (as required in all religions) is definitionally going against what common sense would tell you. What is the difference between Science and science. And finally, I can't see either scientific or religious people being sastisfied with an approach that says "God created the world with Science" but there is absolutely nothing that I can use to back this up. Science obviously has (supposedly) rigourous methods of logic and fact to prove a point, but even any decent religious theologian will say that a point is moot unless you have the scripture to back it up! You may be onto some interesting philosophy there, but at the moment I just see your points as too disconnected to follow, but I'd honestly be interested if you could just explain them a bit more thoroughly.
EDIT: Also, haven't there been multiple translations of the Bible, including the King James which was directly from ancient hebrew to english? Surely someone would have picked up on this red sea thing by now...
RavynousHunter on 16/12/2008 at 05:59
Quote Posted by fett
Er...no. You do know that Red isn't spelled 'R-e-d' in Hebrew, right? ;)
I know, it's still a mistranslation. The History Channel rocks.
[edit]
It was a mistranslation of
Yam Suph; it was originally thought to mean "Red Sea," but was later found to actually mean "Reed Sea."
jtr7 on 16/12/2008 at 06:06
Yam Suph.
Quote Posted by Strong's Concordance
suph, or cuwph,
soof probably of Egyptian origin; a reed, especially the papyrus:--flag, ...weed.
Quote Posted by also Strong's Concordance
the Reed (Sea):--Red Sea.
:D
Weed Sea, as Reed Sea.
"weed" = "reed," and the English-writing scholars dropped an "e" from "reed"? :o
That's the ballpark of the explanation, though they told it more eloquently, if not at all persuasively.:erg:
BEAR on 16/12/2008 at 06:08
Quote Posted by fett
Er...no. You do know that Red isn't spelled 'R-e-d' in Hebrew, right? ;)
:laff:
Volitions Advocate on 16/12/2008 at 06:19
@ ercles
I understand what you're getting at, I don't think its an attack. I'm not explaining my ideas very well because I"m intentionally being vague to try to keep denominational differences out of the discussion. Since this whole thread is more of a debate about christianity as a whole rather than inter-denominational scrutiny.
Plus I think it would be a little tangental to the OP. and I'd need a lot of screen space to make what I'm trying to say make sense. and it would include a lot of specific doctrine that I dont think anybody on here wants to hear about. I'm trying not to be asinine. PM me if you want me to elaborate more. I just .. don't want to be that guy.. you know? So far this thread is mostly civilized as far as TTLG goes and I don't want to add dissonance.
ercles on 16/12/2008 at 06:19
Does anyone have any more relevant links apart from "I saw in on History channel?"
EDIT: referring to the re(e)d sea thing
