emg_nerd on 6/7/2006 at 08:26
Quote Posted by TheGreatGodPan
The Nazi party was pretty much always hateful. Of course, to me, all revolutionary communists seem obviously hateful. Communists tend to deny racism, as they have roots in internationalism, but they can usually channel their base racism into good & proper communist hate toward "class enemies", but nazism is pretty openly racist.
emg, you really need to get your head straightened out. I can avoid white-guilt and pc self-delusion and recognize the realities of race/human biodiversity/group differences, but that doesn't mean buying into nazi nonsense. The Germans did pretty well for a while, but not nearly as well as England. Also there's not much point in calling them "Aryans". The term should be reserved for the people that invaded the formerly Dravidic subcontinent of India (although there's controversy about what actually happened back then). Their connection with 20th century Germans is extremely tenous.
Civilization wasn't invented by Aryans or Northern Europeans either. The "cradle of civilization" was inhabited by Semitic peoples, which the Jews (who, at least the Ashkenazi, have a higher average IQ than Germans) and Arabs claim descent from. The Chinese also had quite a civilization going before anything in Europe can compare, and northeastern asians still have higher IQs on average. That isn't everything though, which is why Hong Kong and mainland China were so different for so long and North and South Korea are so different today. Taking the data from "IQ and the Wealth of Nations", average IQ actually comes out to be less correlated with GDP than position in the Fraser index of economic freedom. I hesitate to sound like a blank-slater bleating about "social construction of [insert whatever here]", but the system in which people live is at least as significant as the people in the system, and the system shapes the people (to a certain extent) just as people shape the system.
Some ideas, no matter how otherwise great the people implementing them are, are just plain horrible and will never work. Totalitarianism is a subset of just such ideas.
You are absolutely wrong in every way. I suggest you read up on your history. And not books written by authors who's last names suffix with "stein" or "berg" who tend to tell the side of the story that benefits them.
Germany was doing far better than england during hitler's term in office, far better than National Socialist America was during it's infancy, even if you adjust for technology.
The first civilizations were instilled into western culture by the extinct CRO-MAGNONS some 15,000 - 20,000 years ago, who were on AVERAGE superior to EVERY HUMAN BEING ALIVE TODAY, physically and ESPECIALLY mentally. They weren't "white", nor were they "aryan", as indo-aryans did not yet exist, as aryans are a noteable less intelligent, mixed descendant of cro-magnon.
You're forgetting that iq tests are meant to have a mean average of 100. The jews are a TINY population, and 115 iq is quite average, it isn't smart by any means. Trust me, I'm part native american, and my iq is about 120. My iq is a high average at best. But we are taking in account MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of whites with iqs ranging from 85-150 averages within their leagues, unfortunately with most being borderline morons. Now, if we are to take smaller segments from each white race and segregate them by iqs, eventually we'd have very different races within the general race. There are no ethnically jewish people that have an iq in those higher averages.
Also, the jews today aren't the jews in the old testament. Present day jews aren't even semitic. The original Semites were WHITE. The semites we have today ALL have close black ancestry. Also, as credit to "aryans", there has been an 8,000 year old eroded civilization found somewhere in bosnia, where there's a pyramid and trinkets/artifacts underground. Also, there was another 7,000 year old civilization found in russia, with ingenious food storage capabilities, and turpentine finished wooden floors in houses!
Get your head out of your ass. Everything that has happened in both deus ex games is HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK IN THE REAL WORLD. The "illuminati" may not exist anymore, but other sects identical to it DO. Majestic 12 is an ACTUAL group IN EXISTENCE AND IN POWER AS I AM TYPING THIS.
I'm not a racist. I'm not a right winger. I'm a fairly middle ground type of person. I don't hate anyone or anything, except for LIARS. Genocide is one thing, but blatantly
lying about genocide in order to gain sympathy to steal land, that in turn cost FAR more millions of
innocent lives than the laughable, ridiculous and henous claim of 6 million jews is one thing I refuse to ignore.
Dr. Dumb_lunatic on 6/7/2006 at 09:26
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Germany was doing far better than england during hitler's term in office, far better than National Socialist America was during it's infancy, even if you adjust for technology.
Right up until that whole war thing, huh?
But anyway, I believe TGGP was referring to the (at one time fairly extensive) british empire, rather that 'Britain at the time of Hitlers term in office'.
Anyway, this looks set to be fun:
Hates jews? Check.
Supports Nazis? Check.
Believes in Majestic 12?!? Check.
Somehow has a way of determining the intelligence of Cro-Magnons? Check.
Makes up completely meaningless pseudostatistical statements? Check.
I really want you to be joking, but would anyone really type that much just for a joke?
Well, who knows. I guess I'll just sit back and wait to catch the grey death. Perhaps I'll do a vial of Zyme while I'm at it, and then agonise over which coffee place to support.
Oh dear, I think I'm feeding the troll. Never mind.
Matthew on 6/7/2006 at 09:35
'Sup d00ds I heard there was lollercaust denial itt confirm/deny
Rogue Keeper on 6/7/2006 at 12:21
Quote Posted by emg_nerd
... which leads to capitalism.
I'm sorry? Capitalism itself has emerged from Nationalism?
Just WOW.
emg_nerd on 6/7/2006 at 14:17
Quote Posted by BR796164
I'm sorry? Capitalism itself has emerged from Nationalism?
Just WOW.
Where did I say that?
emg_nerd on 6/7/2006 at 14:24
Quote Posted by Dr. Dumb_lunatic
Right up until that whole war thing, huh?
But anyway, I believe TGGP was referring to the (at one time fairly extensive) british empire, rather that 'Britain at the time of Hitlers term in office'.
No, I am talking about in the history of either country. Germany was a paradise before it was destroyed by the communists and marxists.
Anyway, this looks set to be fun:
Hates jews? Check.
What part of "I don't hate anyone or anything" do you not understand?
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Supports Nazis? Check.
National Socialist. National Sozialistische.
National So
zialistische.
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Believes in Majestic 12?!? Check.
And the rothschilds, the masons, etc. But of course because the television says it's all conspiracy paranoia I must be wrong!
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Somehow has a way of determining the intelligence of Cro-Magnons? Check.
Let me guess. You're one of those people that believe fruitflies are capable of speech, because of course, brain mass doesn't matter, because to say it does would be racist and mean that I wish to commit genocide on everyone with a smaller brain than my own, right?
In this case, I would have to exterminate every living human being on the planet, because, cro-magnon had on average a 4% bigger brain than modern man.
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Makes up completely meaningless pseudostatistical statements? Check.
What's meaningless about facts?
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Well, who knows. I guess I'll just sit back and wait to catch the grey death. Perhaps I'll do a vial of Zyme while I'm at it, and then agonise over which coffee place to support.
If you like...
Matthew on 6/7/2006 at 14:45
I can't believe I was even thinking about trying to rebut those points (if you can even call repeating the German for 'National Socialist' a point).
Rogue Keeper on 6/7/2006 at 15:29
Quote Posted by emg_nerd
Where did I say that?
Quote Posted by BR796164
Nationalism is an ideological movement for the attainment and maintenance of autonomy, unity, and identity of a human population deemed by some of its members to constitute an actual or potential “nation”. In other words, it's extreme patriotism.
Quote Posted by emg_nerd
...which leads to capitalism
So what did you have on your mind?
Dr. Dumb_lunatic on 6/7/2006 at 15:56
Quote Posted by emg_nerd
What part of "I don't hate anyone or anything" do you not understand?
Um...This part:
Quote Posted by emg_nerd
I don't hate anyone or anything, except for LIARS. Genocide is one thing, but blatantly lying about genocide in order to gain sympathy to steal land, that in turn cost FAR more millions of innocent lives than the laughable, ridiculous and henous claim of 6 million jews is one thing I refuse to ignore.
Oh god, this is too easy.
Quote Posted by emg_nerd
Let me guess. You're one of those people that believe fruitflies are capable of speech, because of course, brain mass doesn't matter, because to say it does would be racist and mean that I wish to commit genocide on everyone with a smaller brain than my own, right?
In this case, I would have to exterminate every living human being on the planet, because, cro-magnon had on average a 4% bigger brain than modern man.
Good lord. I certainly believe fruitflies are capable of more coherent speech than
you, anyway. While brain mass clearly matters, it is far from the sole determinant of intelligence...unless you have proof that, say, sperm whales are Uber Uber uber intelligent. Also your post seems to be indicating that you're a cro-magnon. Are you? That would, I admit, theoretically allow you to judge cro-magnon intelligence quite well, but if this is the case, I think you've already adequately demonstrated that cro-magnon intelligence is..lacking.
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What's meaningless about facts?
Hmmm...it's more the way you present them:
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You're forgetting that iq tests are meant to have a mean average of 100. The jews are a TINY population, and 115 iq is quite average, it isn't smart by any means. Trust me, I'm part native american, and my iq is about 120. My iq is a high average at best. :tsktsk: But we are taking in account MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of whites with iqs ranging from 85-150 averages within their leagues, unfortunately with most being borderline morons. Now, if we are to take smaller segments from each white race and segregate them by iqs, eventually we'd have very different races within the general race. There are no ethnically jewish people that have an iq in those higher averages.
Now this reads as "something I once read, I think it was in my dad's car, or maybe a doctors office, or something, I can't quite remember, but basically some stuff about IQs and OH WAIT I REMEMBER that the average is supposed to be 100! And anyway, some stuff about averages but almost everyone is stupid and if you look at the data the right way all the jews are stupid".
I was right, this
is fun.
emg_nerd on 6/7/2006 at 20:35
Quote Posted by BR796164
So what did you have on your mind?
My point is that patriotism is selfish and leads to capitalism. Where are you reading "capitalism can only exist through nationalism" from? There are many ways of being capitalistic without even having a nation of your own. Take the jews, for instance.
